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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Dangerous4 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:35 pm

Oh boy, what a game! I didn't know the result and up to the final quarter I believed we were a beaten side. Well done to all. :smt026 :smt041 :smt041

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by RagingBull » Mon Jan 17, 2022 1:24 pm

Interesting listening to Connacht podcast all talked about how the tigers attack changed a lot when Hegarty moved to 10 more in the last 20 minutes.

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Crofty » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:19 pm

Dangerous4 wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 12:35 pm
Oh boy, what a game! I didn't know the result and up to the final quarter I believed we were a beaten side. Well done to all. :smt026 :smt041 :smt041
Careful, the happy clappers are out rounding us up :smt005 :smt002
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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Big Dai » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:00 pm

loretta wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:41 am
Big Dai wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:11 pm
anz3001 wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 12:28 pm


He did, first time I thought it was his accent but no, it was definitely Dom
Murimurivalu (did I get that right?) also got an interesting pronunciation.
Seemed to know how to start saying it, just didn't how to stop.
.......but even that's not as bad as the king of pronunciation.........Eddie Buttler
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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Robespierre » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:19 pm

Big Dai wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:00 pm
loretta wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:41 am
Big Dai wrote:
Sun Jan 16, 2022 2:11 pm


Murimurivalu (did I get that right?) also got an interesting pronunciation.
Seemed to know how to start saying it, just didn't how to stop.
.......but even that's not as bad as the king of pronunciation.........Eddie Buttler
...who seems to add at least a couple more syllables to names!!

This tweet from Gareth Thomas sums it up nicely:

Gareth Thomas
@gareththomas14
Why is Eddie Butler pronouncing every French players name like he's the policeman from "Allo Allo"?
7:40 PM · 21 mars 2015·Twitter for iPhone
Semper in excreta.

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Scott1 » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:30 pm

Robespierre wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:19 pm
Big Dai wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:00 pm
loretta wrote:
Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:41 am


Seemed to know how to start saying it, just didn't how to stop.
.......but even that's not as bad as the king of pronunciation.........Eddie Buttler
...who seems to add at least a couple more syllables to names!!

This tweet from Gareth Thomas sums it up nicely:

Gareth Thomas
@gareththomas14
Why is Eddie Butler pronouncing every French players name like he's the policeman from "Allo Allo"?
7:40 PM · 21 mars 2015·Twitter for iPhone
😂😂😂

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by AViewFromLe2 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:54 am

Just a quick one on the penalty count, I think the key point is not the number of penalties per se, it is where we concede them. Tigers concede a lot of penalties on their own tryline, as a means to stopping the try. As a result, our average penalty count goes up, but for very understandable reasons - we'd rather concede a penalty than a try.

What Tigers have been good at so far this season, is not concede lots of penalties in the middle of the pitch, which the opposition can use to punt the ball into our 22 and put us under pressure from those opportunities. Steve has said in press conferences, he does not pay attention to the penalty count alone, he looks at the penalty count from the middle of the pitch - if that number is too high, he knows the team has a problem.

So when you see the average penalty count and we are up there in the "top 3 biggest offenders", i would not worry too much, we need to analyse where we have been conceding them.

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by ay2oh » Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:21 am

AViewFromLe2 wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:54 am
Just a quick one on the penalty count, I think the key point is not the number of penalties per se, it is where we concede them. Tigers concede a lot of penalties on their own tryline, as a means to stopping the try. As a result, our average penalty count goes up, but for very understandable reasons - we'd rather concede a penalty than a try.

What Tigers have been good at so far this season, is not concede lots of penalties in the middle of the pitch, which the opposition can use to punt the ball into our 22 and put us under pressure from those opportunities. Steve has said in press conferences, he does not pay attention to the penalty count alone, he looks at the penalty count from the middle of the pitch - if that number is too high, he knows the team has a problem.

So when you see the average penalty count and we are up there in the "top 3 biggest offenders", i would not worry too much, we need to analyse where we have been conceding them.
Agree to an extent but you run the risk of yellow cards/penalty tries if you offend near your own line. Unfortunately we seem to get yellow cards too regularly for my liking.
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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by chris111 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:26 am

ay2oh wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:21 am
AViewFromLe2 wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:54 am
Just a quick one on the penalty count, I think the key point is not the number of penalties per se, it is where we concede them. Tigers concede a lot of penalties on their own tryline, as a means to stopping the try. As a result, our average penalty count goes up, but for very understandable reasons - we'd rather concede a penalty than a try.

What Tigers have been good at so far this season, is not concede lots of penalties in the middle of the pitch, which the opposition can use to punt the ball into our 22 and put us under pressure from those opportunities. Steve has said in press conferences, he does not pay attention to the penalty count alone, he looks at the penalty count from the middle of the pitch - if that number is too high, he knows the team has a problem.

So when you see the average penalty count and we are up there in the "top 3 biggest offenders", i would not worry too much, we need to analyse where we have been conceding them.
Agree to an extent but you run the risk of yellow cards/penalty tries if you offend near your own line. Unfortunately we seem to get yellow cards too regularly for my liking.
Give a choice between taking yellows whilst still winning and keeping 15 on but losing, I’ll take the former every time 👍

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by chris111 » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:27 am

ay2oh wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 9:21 am
AViewFromLe2 wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:54 am
Just a quick one on the penalty count, I think the key point is not the number of penalties per se, it is where we concede them. Tigers concede a lot of penalties on their own tryline, as a means to stopping the try. As a result, our average penalty count goes up, but for very understandable reasons - we'd rather concede a penalty than a try.

What Tigers have been good at so far this season, is not concede lots of penalties in the middle of the pitch, which the opposition can use to punt the ball into our 22 and put us under pressure from those opportunities. Steve has said in press conferences, he does not pay attention to the penalty count alone, he looks at the penalty count from the middle of the pitch - if that number is too high, he knows the team has a problem.

So when you see the average penalty count and we are up there in the "top 3 biggest offenders", i would not worry too much, we need to analyse where we have been conceding them.
Agree to an extent but you run the risk of yellow cards/penalty tries if you offend near your own line. Unfortunately we seem to get yellow cards too regularly for my liking.
Give a choice between taking yellows whilst still winning and keeping 15 on but losing, I’ll take the former every time 👍

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:38 am

Trouble is, if it's the same player they end up before the "beak" before too long & you get a "rep" individually (Wiesse & big Tomas before him) & as a team.

We still seem to give away some dull penalties though.

Perhaps if we stopped kicking the ball so much we wouldn't need to defend as much....eventually we will really pay for it in a game. The kicking stats early in the game for the competition so far for us were ridiculous.
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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by DingDong » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:42 am

Conceding a penalty in your 22 almost certainly gives the opposition 3pts. If it's a close game then you're defending under enormous pressure with 14 and likely the opposition will score again. Can't see the logic in conceding penalties in your 22 myself unless you are winning with a big enough margin.

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Crofty » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:43 am

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Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:38 am
Trouble is, if it's the same player they end up before the "beak" before too long & you get a "rep" individually (Wiesse & big Tomas before him) & as a team.

We still seem to give away some dull penalties though.

Perhaps if we stopped kicking the ball so much we wouldn't need to defend as much....eventually we will really pay for it in a game. The kicking stats early in the game for the competition so far for us were ridiculous.
That depends, if the kicking and at least as importantly, the chasing is good, and for the most part it has been this season for us, then we aren't defending under our posts, which means we can absorb the pressure a bit more easily and turn them over without having conceded a penalty prior. The kicking is a big part of why we've got one of the meanest defences out there and a big part of how we win rugby matches.
No, not that one!

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by DingDong » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:47 am

Crofty wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:43 am
Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:38 am
Trouble is, if it's the same player they end up before the "beak" before too long & you get a "rep" individually (Wiesse & big Tomas before him) & as a team.

We still seem to give away some dull penalties though.

Perhaps if we stopped kicking the ball so much we wouldn't need to defend as much....eventually we will really pay for it in a game. The kicking stats early in the game for the competition so far for us were ridiculous.
That depends, if the kicking and at least as importantly, the chasing is good, and for the most part it has been this season for us, then we aren't defending under our posts, which means we can absorb the pressure a bit more easily and turn them over without having conceded a penalty prior. The kicking is a big part of why we've got one of the meanest defences out there and a big part of how we win rugby matches.
Kicking is here to stay, stats show that it's integral to winning. Although I actually enjoy that battle, have to feel sorry for the forwards having to do the okey cokey in the middle of the pitch until its over!

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Re: CONNACHT (A) - Saturday 15th January 2022 - 3-15pm

Post by Crofty » Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:53 am

DingDong wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:47 am
Crofty wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:43 am
Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote:
Tue Jan 18, 2022 10:38 am
Trouble is, if it's the same player they end up before the "beak" before too long & you get a "rep" individually (Wiesse & big Tomas before him) & as a team.

We still seem to give away some dull penalties though.

Perhaps if we stopped kicking the ball so much we wouldn't need to defend as much....eventually we will really pay for it in a game. The kicking stats early in the game for the competition so far for us were ridiculous.
That depends, if the kicking and at least as importantly, the chasing is good, and for the most part it has been this season for us, then we aren't defending under our posts, which means we can absorb the pressure a bit more easily and turn them over without having conceded a penalty prior. The kicking is a big part of why we've got one of the meanest defences out there and a big part of how we win rugby matches.
Kicking is here to stay, stats show that it's integral to winning. Although I actually enjoy that battle, have to feel sorry for the forwards having to do the okey cokey in the middle of the pitch until its over!
Exactly. I've enough scars on my back to be able to remember that one of the germs of what went wrong to cause the banter years was that the club reacted to people without and within complaining that "Leicester are boring". Those without were really complaining that Leicester were winning, those within, I'm not so sure of their motives, probably wholesome but misguided. The pressure led to the buying in of a "galacticos" back line and the neglect of the pack which meant we attempted to play pretty rugby off backfoot ball with predictable results.
No, not that one!

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