It was that game against Bristol where Pat "Liar" Lam and Ian "Total Control" Tempest gained their nicknames...Truefollower wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:15 pmThanks for that, I knew it was someone not at the top of the referee charts.
Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
No, not that one!
Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...
I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?
non possumus capere
Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...
I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?
non possumus capere
Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
The leg was lifted above the horizontal and Simmonds drives his head into the ground. Not his fault Marlers body postion is that way but he still has a duty of care,and i don't recall seeing anything like that week in week out. Red for me,Sam's a lucky boy.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
Golden boy, surely?
No, not that one!
Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...
I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?
non possumus capere
Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...
I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?
non possumus capere
Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
If Hepburn isn't there he would have been barely above horizontal and not landed on his head, his actions are reckless and out of control, but for me there was no intent to spear.
Yes reckless and out of control so yellow only for me. Are you not the one who says players shouldn't be judged on outcome but their action in isolation? In this case Simmonds actions probably were a yellow card but not a red so I can understand the lack of citing.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
Agree to disagree and using a lack of citing as evidence doesn't really cut it with how shockingly inconsistent the citing panels seem to be. Let's just move on shall weTigerFeetSteve wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:51 pmIf Hepburn isn't there he would have been barely above horizontal and not landed on his head, his actions are reckless and out of control, but for me there was no intent to spear.
Yes reckless and out of control so yellow only for me. Are you not the one who says players shouldn't be judged on outcome but their action in isolation? In this case Simmonds actions probably were a yellow card but not a red so I can understand the lack of citing.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
That's fair enough, happy to disagree on it.Scott1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:15 pmAgree to disagree and using a lack of citing as evidence doesn't really cut it with how shockingly inconsistent the citing panels seem to be. Let's just move on shall weTigerFeetSteve wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:51 pmIf Hepburn isn't there he would have been barely above horizontal and not landed on his head, his actions are reckless and out of control, but for me there was no intent to spear.
Yes reckless and out of control so yellow only for me. Are you not the one who says players shouldn't be judged on outcome but their action in isolation? In this case Simmonds actions probably were a yellow card but not a red so I can understand the lack of citing.
I will say this isn't the citing panel, if he's not been cited then the panel aren't looking at anything, this is down to the citing officer along with the match officials.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
Good pointTigerFeetSteve wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:32 pmThat's fair enough, happy to disagree on it.Scott1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:15 pmAgree to disagree and using a lack of citing as evidence doesn't really cut it with how shockingly inconsistent the citing panels seem to be. Let's just move on shall weTigerFeetSteve wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:51 pm
If Hepburn isn't there he would have been barely above horizontal and not landed on his head, his actions are reckless and out of control, but for me there was no intent to spear.
Yes reckless and out of control so yellow only for me. Are you not the one who says players shouldn't be judged on outcome but their action in isolation? In this case Simmonds actions probably were a yellow card but not a red so I can understand the lack of citing.
I will say this isn't the citing panel, if he's not been cited then the panel aren't looking at anything, this is down to the citing officer along with the match officials.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
It doesn't & didn't feel the same.
If you want the playoffs have it as a separate thing.
To win is not as important as playing with style!
Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
Like League,a plate winner and a championship winner? Good idea!Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:33 pmIt doesn't & didn't feel the same.
If you want the playoffs have it as a separate thing.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
I have a vague memory that's how it was first set up.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
When the play-offs were first introduced 2000/2001(after that season had started) and involved quarters and semi finals s a team finishing eighth in the league could be hailed as champions, protests from some clubs (Tigers) resulted in the decision to award a trophy for finishing top (a plate) as well as a magnificent cup for winning the play-off. Of course that year we won both and the Heineken Cup, the following year although we topped the Premiership we were not playing well towards the end of the season and Deano rested a few players at play-pff time concentrating on the Heineken Cup. With the media referring to us as Champions despite not even being in the Premiership's Twickenham Final it was felt that the trophy was devalued so the plate for finishing top was discontinued and the champions would only be the winning team at the Cabbage patch.
I do think that now twenty years later it would be good to award a top of the Premiership trophy with a separate competition between the top four clubs for another trophy.
I do think that now twenty years later it would be good to award a top of the Premiership trophy with a separate competition between the top four clubs for another trophy.
Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
When they first introduced the play offs, it was changed during a season. Hence the Shield and Tigers being called Champions.
I have no issue with the Champions being the winner of the play offs as teams are not able to play their best players for all league games due to internationals. I agree that the team finishing top of the table should get some recognition and be awarded a trophy.
I have no issue with the Champions being the winner of the play offs as teams are not able to play their best players for all league games due to internationals. I agree that the team finishing top of the table should get some recognition and be awarded a trophy.
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
The team finishing top of the league are true champions having proved winners through all weather's, injuries, international calls etc.Tigerbeat wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 10:10 pm When they first introduced the play offs, it was changed during a season. Hence the Shield and Tigers being called Champions.
I have no issue with the Champions being the winner of the play offs as teams are not able to play their best players for all league games due to internationals. I agree that the team finishing top of the table should get some recognition and be awarded a trophy.
Winners of the play offs have the opportunity to come good at the end. Which maybe some compensation for international call ups depleting squads.
The champions, to me, are those who come through a season, with all that throws at you, and finish on top
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Re: Wasps (A) - Sunday 9th January 2022 - 3pm
Hepburn not SimmondsScott1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:38 pmDrove him into the ground,red for me all day matewestwinds31 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:30 pmSimmonds was fine, assuming you’re on about the Marler incident?