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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by mol2 » Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:28 pm

HMRC would have no interest in the salary cap.

Their role is to collect relevant taxes from employers and employees.
Their interest in rights payments to individual players would be more about ascertaining whether these were appropriate to be paid to a 3rd party company and thus taxed as profits/dividends rather than salary. If a club employs a player it is hard for them to pay the same player via a company for work (like photo shoots) without HMRC calling it pay and demanding payment be made for NI and PAYE.

They cracked down on plumbers and electricians working as self employed when pretty well all of their income came from a single building firm deeming them employees and not sub contractors.

The league rules are similar but their powers of investigation are somewhat less. They can't insist on seeing Mrs Ford's company accounts to see whether or not Matolli Woods are paying her. Example rather than literal fact.

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Old Hob » Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:06 pm

Just before the Boxing Day match, SB was giving the press briefing and talking about teams that had rest weeks usually winning... that Bris coaching team had been together for ages... and that Bristol Bears had the biggest budget in the league. Which I find interesting in the light of the investigation.
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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Big Dai » Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:39 pm

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:23 pm

https://twitter.com/rollingmaulpod/stat ... 5nluw&s=19

Really interesting thread from the Rolling Maul Podcast on Twitter

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by sam16111986 » Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:15 am

Old Hob wrote:
Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Just before the Boxing Day match, SB was giving the press briefing and talking about teams that had rest weeks usually winning... that Bris coaching team had been together for ages... and that Bristol Bears had the biggest budget in the league. Which I find interesting in the light of the investigation.
I thought the Bristol Chairman had said they were under the cap? With Piatau and Radrada as marquees there aren't that many big players left to get under the cap. Bristol going the good 23 but weak squad route and having not replaced Earl, Malins or Siale Piatau at the end of last season.

Given they've just brought in Ibitoye from his Israel sabbatical they must have had some cap to spare.

As a caveat to that they probably do have the two biggest marquee signings in the league.

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:09 am

This week's 5Live Rugby podcast covers this in part, including Danny Care being very rude about Sanderson...worth listening to for that alone...oh & a reference to bloodgate.
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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Bunchy » Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:31 pm

For those of us on twitter, the rolling maul site has a very good up to date view on the investigation........
Less is more....

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Scott1 » Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:42 pm

Bunchy wrote:
Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:31 pm
For those of us on twitter, the rolling maul site has a very good up to date view on the investigation........
Yes the link is above,very good read!

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Bunchy » Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:56 pm

sorry - having read the tweets was excited to put it on here and did not bother to read this thread !!!
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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by loretta » Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:58 pm

Informative. Had a good laugh at the disclaimer too
I've got a bad feeling about this.

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Scott1 » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:25 pm

McGinty talks a lot without saying anything
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ex-leice ... -mcginity/

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:06 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:25 pm
McGinty talks a lot without saying anything
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/ex-leice ... -mcginity/
The main thing of note I took from it was this line.

"A lot of it precedes when I arrived"

Ok so there may be a bit of overlap, but he joined summer 2019 wasn't it, or possibly a bit before?

This to me says that it's likely we're ok the following seasons:
21/22
20/21
19/20

Now I know it said these investigations can only look back 5 years so it likely only affects the earlier seasons
18/19
17/18
(16/17) not sure if this one is counted inside or outside the years in question.
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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by WhitecapTiger » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:30 pm

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:06 pm
This to me says that it's likely we're ok the following seasons:
21/22
20/21
19/20

Now I know it said these investigations can only look back 5 years so it likely only affects the earlier seasons
18/19
17/18
(16/17) not sure if this one is counted inside or outside the years in question.
Wouldn't they look at 21/22 e.g. current season after completion? so possibly 16/17-20/21 as the 'in focus' years.

not sure.
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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Nofrontteeth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:52 pm

" a lot of it precedes---"
A lot does not mean all.

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Re: New Salary Cap Breach?

Post by Nofrontteeth » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:03 pm

Is there life out there? Is it just me but my comment just posted appears to have been hacked :smt017

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