Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Crofty » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:15 am

One thing you can definitely say of SB, he won't die not knowing what might have happened and what fruits that approach has born so far.
No, not that one!

Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Scott1 » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:24 am

Crofty wrote:
Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:15 am
One thing you can definitely say of SB, he won't die not knowing what might have happened and what fruits that approach has born so far.
And if you're good enough you will get your chance! The youngsters are flourishing, carrying on Murphys good work there

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Crofty » Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:27 am

Scott1 wrote:
Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:24 am
Crofty wrote:
Mon Dec 20, 2021 12:15 am
One thing you can definitely say of SB, he won't die not knowing what might have happened and what fruits that approach has born so far.
And if you're good enough you will get your chance! The youngsters are flourishing, carrying on Murphys good work there
Long may it continue!
No, not that one!

Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...

"I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?"

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by sam16111986 » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:32 am

Squad rotation is a big thing for Borthwick. Used to be we only rotated players when they were injured or suspended. The depth SB has helped create is proving a key element to us being able to compete on multiple fronts with teams that have combinations that are blatantly not first choice.

Steve is doing a very good job.

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by ourla » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:16 pm

Interesting comments from Green in the Bristol post match interview.

He said at other clubs he'd been at during the week everything would be focused on the starting 15 or at least the 23 match day squad whereas under the current regime the whole squad is involved. This enables players to be swapped in and out much more easily. Even late on. I think you can see that reflected in this running we are having. Not particularly rocket science but thought it was interesting.
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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by fentiger » Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:48 pm

ourla wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:16 pm
Interesting comments from Green in the Bristol post match interview.

He said at other clubs he'd been at during the week everything would be focused on the starting 15 or at least the 23 match day squad whereas under the current regime the whole squad is involved. This enables players to be swapped in and out much more easily. Even late on. I think you can see that reflected in this running we are having. Not particularly rocket science but thought it was interesting.
Yeah, I thought that was interesting. Guess it's an approach that requires even stronger understanding from both players and coaches of their roles, and another example of everyone 'singing from the same sheet!'
Maybe other clubs don't do it because of the increased workload on coaches? :smt017

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by OakhamTiger32 » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:29 pm

So..

Tigers are 8 points clear at the top of the Premiership;

Have topped Pool B in the Champions Cup with 19 points from 4 matches (albeit one match lost to COVID although I’m confident we could have won that);

Are top of Pool 2 In the Premiership Rugby Cup.

Unbelievable season so far
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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Rugbygramps » Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:30 pm

OakhamTiger32 wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:29 pm
So..

Tigers are 8 points clear at the top of the Premiership;

Have topped Pool B in the Champions Cup with 19 points from 4 matches (albeit one match lost to COVID although I’m confident we could have won that);

Are top of Pool 2 In the Premiership Rugby Cup.

Unbelievable season so far
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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Crofty » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:07 am

OakhamTiger32 wrote:
Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:29 pm
So..

Tigers are 8 points clear at the top of the Premiership;

Have topped Pool B in the Champions Cup with 19 points from 4 matches (albeit one match lost to COVID although I’m confident we could have won that);

Are top of Pool 2 In the Premiership Rugby Cup.

Unbelievable season so far
And that (yesterday) came only two years to the day that Borthwick joined us. Absolutely incredible.
No, not that one!

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Rugbygramps » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:12 am

I find it interesting how peoples hopes and expectations change as the season progresses. Pre season people were mentioning top 4 finish decent run in the cups. I wonder how many of us, me included, are secretly having dreams of doubles or even trebles.

I’m sure Steve and the squad are taking 1 match at a time

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by chris111 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 9:56 am

Rugbygramps wrote:
Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:12 am
I find it interesting how peoples hopes and expectations change as the season progresses. Pre season people were mentioning top 4 finish decent run in the cups. I wonder how many of us, me included, are secretly having dreams of doubles or even trebles.

I’m sure Steve and the squad are taking 1 match at a time
I was definitely in the camp that thought it would take 3 seasons as a minimum for Tigers to be competing for titles. On that basis I thought top 6 Premiership and last 16 in Europe would be a good solid ‘par’ performance. My most optimistic scenario was to squeeze into playoffs in 3rd/4th and get to European QF - which would indicate we were ahead of schedule on the road back to titles. There’s certainly no way I could see us getting close to a home SF in the playoffs or any further in Europe.

Now? Probably favourites for top 2 in Premiership (although it’s by no means certain with some tough away fixtures to come) and definitely capable of QF or possibly even further in Europe. If this is what we end up with it will have been a fantastic year. Not confident we’re ready to win titles yet - maybe the Premiership is winnable if we can get to May with pretty much a fully fit squad. Europe? Still think SF would be a tremendous achievement but anything more than that is improbable.

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by drc_007 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:02 am

Once into the knock out stages anything can happen on the day.

But certainly ahead of my expectations.

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by Postiger2 » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:08 pm

My uncle is part of the ground staff at Oval Park and I saw him for the first time in years at a wedding yesterday. His assessment of Borthwick in training:

"When one of them makes a mistake, you know about it."

"If they can't get what he's asking them to do, he makes them stay until they've got it."

"I've seen him send players home if they're not giving it 100%"

Interesting

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Re: Progress under Borthwick 2021/22

Post by fentiger » Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:19 pm

Postiger2 wrote:
Sat Jan 22, 2022 1:08 pm
"I've seen him send players home if they're not giving it 100%"

Interesting
You wouldn't want to be that person, would you?

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