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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by LekkerTigers » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:46 am

loretta wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:51 am
TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:28 pm
Scott1 wrote:
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Any leeway in the sense that if a player still declines the jab and can’t travel he could be disciplined by his club? Like I said it could get very messy. Just cancel the whole tournament,that would be a lot better IMO.
Well I doubt the club can force a player to get a jab as I doubt it's covered in their contracts.

The most similar thing I can think of is there have been instances in various sports where a player has been unable to obtain the correct visa for playing in a different country so weren't available for some away games in European competitions, it is just a thing the club needs to manage, though they will put as much pressure on players they want available as they can.
First off, the competition is not going to be called. There's too much money involved, the tv contracts will have to be honoured.

Secondly, I have no idea whether a club can force a player to get a jab, but choices have consequences. If a player decides to exercise his choice to not get a jab and thereby remove himself from selection, his employer would be likely to reconsider their value to the squad overall. They may well be marginalised for future games by the club and the rest of the squad (who may feel let down), and come new contract time, find a reduced offer on the table or none at all. I have no doubt that those players who haven't been vaccinated and, inevitably, contracted Covid and caused cancellations will be feeling pressure from their employers/colleagues already.
Their contracts likely have terms relating to “players taking reasonable measures to stay available for selection”, or something along those lines. I don’t think it’d be hard to argue that vaccines are safe and thus reasonable.

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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by longlivethecrumbie » Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:53 am

LekkerTigers wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:46 am
loretta wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:51 am
TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:28 pm


Well I doubt the club can force a player to get a jab as I doubt it's covered in their contracts.

The most similar thing I can think of is there have been instances in various sports where a player has been unable to obtain the correct visa for playing in a different country so weren't available for some away games in European competitions, it is just a thing the club needs to manage, though they will put as much pressure on players they want available as they can.
First off, the competition is not going to be called. There's too much money involved, the tv contracts will have to be honoured.

Secondly, I have no idea whether a club can force a player to get a jab, but choices have consequences. If a player decides to exercise his choice to not get a jab and thereby remove himself from selection, his employer would be likely to reconsider their value to the squad overall. They may well be marginalised for future games by the club and the rest of the squad (who may feel let down), and come new contract time, find a reduced offer on the table or none at all. I have no doubt that those players who haven't been vaccinated and, inevitably, contracted Covid and caused cancellations will be feeling pressure from their employers/colleagues already.
Their contracts likely have terms relating to “players taking reasonable measures to stay available for selection”, or something along those lines. I don’t think it’d be hard to argue that vaccines are safe and thus reasonable.
It'll quickly become apparent which players haven't been jabbed I'd imagine when they drop off matchday squads. I do wonder how many Tigers players aren't jabbed.

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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:48 pm

longlivethecrumbie wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:53 am
LekkerTigers wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:46 am
loretta wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:51 am


First off, the competition is not going to be called. There's too much money involved, the tv contracts will have to be honoured.

Secondly, I have no idea whether a club can force a player to get a jab, but choices have consequences. If a player decides to exercise his choice to not get a jab and thereby remove himself from selection, his employer would be likely to reconsider their value to the squad overall. They may well be marginalised for future games by the club and the rest of the squad (who may feel let down), and come new contract time, find a reduced offer on the table or none at all. I have no doubt that those players who haven't been vaccinated and, inevitably, contracted Covid and caused cancellations will be feeling pressure from their employers/colleagues already.
Their contracts likely have terms relating to “players taking reasonable measures to stay available for selection”, or something along those lines. I don’t think it’d be hard to argue that vaccines are safe and thus reasonable.
It'll quickly become apparent which players haven't been jabbed I'd imagine when they drop off matchday squads. I do wonder how many Tigers players aren't jabbed.
Blackett has confirmed 100% of Wasps players are fully vaccinated, can't see Borthwick doing the same given his stance on medical info being private but interesting that some clubs have already reached that marker.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport ... y-22600027
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by loretta » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:05 pm

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Wed Dec 29, 2021 9:48 pm
longlivethecrumbie wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:53 am
LekkerTigers wrote:
Tue Dec 28, 2021 10:46 am


Their contracts likely have terms relating to “players taking reasonable measures to stay available for selection”, or something along those lines. I don’t think it’d be hard to argue that vaccines are safe and thus reasonable.
It'll quickly become apparent which players haven't been jabbed I'd imagine when they drop off matchday squads. I do wonder how many Tigers players aren't jabbed.
Blackett has confirmed 100% of Wasps players are fully vaccinated, can't see Borthwick doing the same given his stance on medical info being private but interesting that some clubs have already reached that marker.

https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport ... y-22600027
Whether we know or not, I’d hope Tigers are in a similar position. I’d hate for our winning streak to be halted by Covid in the camp.
I've got a bad feeling about this.

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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Robespierre » Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:05 am

Bonne année to all who follow this thread!
Inevitably, the Top14 calendar was affected over the holiday period but some matches were played and here are the results:

La Rochelle 25 Lyon 3
Biarritz 12 Montpellier 27
Perpignan 19 Castres 20
Pau 43 Brive 20
Bordeaux 30 Biarritz 27
Castres 31 La Rochelle 30
Lyon 37 Racing 35
S Français 27 Perpignan 17
Clermont 16 Toulouse 13

1Bordeaux played 13/points 46
2 Toulouse 13/41
3 Montpellier 13/40
4 Castres 14/37
5 La Rochelle 14/36
6 Lyon 14/35
7 Clermont 13/33
8 Pau 13/28
9 SF 13/27
10 Racing 13/26
11 Toulon 12/22
12 Brive 13/31
13 Perpignan 14/19
14 Biarritz 14/19

Next weekend's fixtures:

Castres v SF
Biarritz v Perpignan (13th v 14th)
Brive v Bordeaux
Lyon v Pau
Toulon v La Rochelle
Racing v Clermont
Toulouse v Montpellier
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by ourla » Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:23 am

Two bad losses for Perpignan there.
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Robespierre » Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:48 pm

ourla wrote:
Tue Jan 04, 2022 11:23 am
Two bad losses for Perpignan there.
Yes. And they’ve an important trip to Biarritz next Saturday! Brive too, are close to the relegation zone and they’ve a tough home match with leaders Bordeaux/Bègles.
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Canuck » Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:38 am

I watched UBB v Brives yesterday with locals at the Comptoir des Sports in Ste Foy la Grande - they were pretty subdued for most of the game. Bordeaux are not the same force without Jalibert at 10 and there isn’t too much optimism for the trip to Welford Road.

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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Robespierre » Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:41 pm

Canuck wrote:
Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:38 am
I watched UBB v Brives yesterday with locals at the Comptoir des Sports in Ste Foy la Grande - they were pretty subdued for most of the game. Bordeaux are not the same force without Jalibert at 10 and there isn’t too much optimism for the trip to Welford Road.
Bonjour, Canuck, and welcome to the forum!

I don't know the details of Jalibert's injury or whether he'll be fit for the match at Welford Rd on the 22nd. Without him, their chances would indeed be a lot slimmer.
As an aside, I fear that Brive are becoming one of the sides that are likely to be relegated unless they can turn round their run of poor form. Their next match - on the 29th, is at home to fellow strugglers Biarritz, which'll be a must win for both teams!
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Robespierre » Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:36 pm

This weekend's Top14 results:

Castres 15 SFrançais 9
Biarritz 23 Perpignan 25 (Perpignan move out of the relegation zone)
Brive 19 Bordeaux 22 (Brive find themselves in the relegation zone!!)
Lyon 35 Pau 10
Toulon v La Rochelle postponed
Racing 33 Clermont 28
Toulouse v Montpellier postponed

1 Bordeaux 14/50 (a handy 9-point lead)
2 Toulouse 13/41
3 Castres 15/41
4 Montpellier 132/40
5 Lyon 15/40
6 La Rochelle 14/36
7 Clermont 14/34
8 Racing 14/30
9 Pau 14/28
10 S Français 14/37
11 Perpignan 15/23
12 Toulon 12/22
13 Brive 14/22
14 Biarritz 15/20

The next round is on Jan 29/30:

Bordeaux v Castres
Brive v Bordeaux (must win match for the 13th and 14th placed teams)
La Rochelle v Montpellier
Perpignan v Lyon
Toulouse v Racing
Pau v Clermont
S Français v Toulon
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by mol2 » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:06 pm

There were some figures saying over 92% of Premiership players were vaccinated.

It might be higher now. Possible that a few of the South American and East European players may register as unjabbed if they have had jabs not approved in the EU or UK.
Caused an issue for some of the East European tennis players who's vaccs were not recognised and denied visas. Off topic but crazy that those have done the right thing in their home country are denied when unjabbed get exemptions!

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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by ourla » Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:31 pm

Robespierre wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:36 pm
1 Bordeaux 14/50 (a handy 9-point lead)
2 Toulouse 13/41
3 Castres 15/41
4 Montpellier 132/40
5 Lyon 15/40
6 La Rochelle 14/36
7 Clermont 14/34
8 Racing 14/30
9 Pau 14/28
10 S Français 14/37
11 Perpignan 15/23
12 Toulon 12/22
13 Brive 14/22
14 Biarritz 15/20
Montpelier have had a heavy season - must have to do a lot of player rotation :smt044 :smt044
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Robespierre » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:52 pm

ourla wrote:
Wed Jan 12, 2022 12:31 pm
Robespierre wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:36 pm
1 Bordeaux 14/50 (a handy 9-point lead)
2 Toulouse 13/41
3 Castres 15/41
4 Montpellier 132/40
5 Lyon 15/40
6 La Rochelle 14/36
7 Clermont 14/34
8 Racing 14/30
9 Pau 14/28
10 S Français 14/37
11 Perpignan 15/23
12 Toulon 12/22
13 Brive 14/22
14 Biarritz 15/20
Montpelier have had a heavy season - must have to do a lot of player rotation :smt044 :smt044
Cheers, Ourla!! It must be an age problem :smt045
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Robespierre » Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:53 pm

Robespierre wrote:
Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:36 pm
This weekend's Top14 results:

Castres 15 SFrançais 9
Biarritz 23 Perpignan 25 (Perpignan move out of the relegation zone)
Brive 19 Bordeaux 22 (Brive find themselves in the relegation zone!!)
Lyon 35 Pau 10
Toulon v La Rochelle postponed
Racing 33 Clermont 28
Toulouse v Montpellier postponed

1 Bordeaux 14/50 (a handy 9-point lead)
2 Toulouse 13/41
3 Castres 15/41
4 Montpellier 13/40
5 Lyon 15/40
6 La Rochelle 14/36
7 Clermont 14/34
8 Racing 14/30
9 Pau 14/28
10 S Français 14/37
11 Perpignan 15/23
12 Toulon 12/22
13 Brive 14/22
14 Biarritz 15/20

The next round is on Jan 29/30:

Bordeaux v Castres
Brive v Bordeaux (must win match for the 13th and 14th placed teams)
La Rochelle v Montpellier
Perpignan v Lyon
Toulouse v Racing
Pau v Clermont
S Français v Toulon
Typo sorted!!!
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Re: French Rugby 2021/2022

Post by Canuck » Sat Jan 15, 2022 7:26 pm

I was both surprised and very pleased to watch Wasps beat Toulouse this afternoon. Umaga’s red card gave them a mountain to climb and the fact that they did so was outstanding. Gopperth, again, the master of keeping the scoreboard ticking over.
Given Tigers’ win v Connacht, the much anticipated clash (from my point of view) v UBB becomes less important. Since we have already qualified for the last 16 will next weekend’s match be a training exercise? I hope not since a fair amount of beer is wagered on the result !!
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