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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by Scott1 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:33 pm

Are we any closer to knowing if it will be a closed shop again? I hope so,it certainly didn’t effect this season at all. 13 teams this season,14 the season after hopefully.

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by Cagey Tiger » Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:24 am

Scott1 wrote:
Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:33 pm
Are we any closer to knowing if it will be a closed shop again? I hope so,it certainly didn’t effect this season at all. 13 teams this season,14 the season after hopefully.
Yes we are and no it isn't.

From the BBC website:

"Next season's second-tier winners are also set to go up, with no prospect of Premiership relegation until 2023-24.

That will come in the form of a play-off before an annual one up, one down system returns for the 2024-25 season."

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by mol2 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:22 am

This is a compromise as it will allow Ealing to come up in a year.

After that it will be very difficult to gain promotion. Sides play a season with the budget and playing squad commensurate with the league they are in be that Premiership or Championship and that is what goes into the play offs.

At present promoted sides get some time (the off season) to recruit and prepare that squad for the premiership which won't happen with play offs, so they have to beat a Premiership side with a Championship side to get promoted and only then can they build a side. Going to be more difficult.

I wonder what would prevent those sides assembling a side for the play offs - like the Barbarians are? Are they obliged to use their existing squad or can they sign half the All Blacks just for the play offs?

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by Cagey Tiger » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:42 pm

mol2 wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 9:22 am
This is a compromise as it will allow Ealing to come up in a year.

After that it will be very difficult to gain promotion. Sides play a season with the budget and playing squad commensurate with the league they are in be that Premiership or Championship and that is what goes into the play offs.

At present promoted sides get some time (the off season) to recruit and prepare that squad for the premiership which won't happen with play offs, so they have to beat a Premiership side with a Championship side to get promoted and only then can they build a side. Going to be more difficult.

I wonder what would prevent those sides assembling a side for the play offs - like the Barbarians are? Are they obliged to use their existing squad or can they sign half the All Blacks just for the play offs?
Generally agree. However, if you have a sugar daddy, like Bristol and Ealing have, could they not spend up to the Premiership cap whilst in the Championship and have a 'Premiership ready' squad and team when/if they go into the play-off? A big gamble I know, but didn't Bristol do something along those lines? If it worked, it would mean yet another club hostage to the whim/fortune of a single person (no good).

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by Old Hob » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:52 pm

There is a cautionary tale in the demise of London Welsh who spent furiously trying to bolster their team and crashed and burned spectacularly.
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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by mol2 » Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:20 pm

Isn't the salary cap smaller in the Championship than the Premiership?

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by Cagey Tiger » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:53 pm

Old Hob wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:52 pm
There is a cautionary tale in the demise of London Welsh who spent furiously trying to bolster their team and crashed and burned spectacularly.
But didn't they do the vast majority of their spending after achieving promotion and only had 'leftovers' to choose from? IIRC very few of the players who achieved the promotion got to play in the Premiership. Or am I getting mixed up with someone else
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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by Old Hob » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:49 pm

I think you are entirely right. But they were always short of cash and I don't think could afford to gamble on buying players before their promotion was guaranteed. What the state of Ealing et al is, I haven't the foggiest.
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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by kk20gb30 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:23 am

Wonder what the Gloucester faithful will make of this ?
Whats in a name , after all ? The Compeed Shed ......

https://www.soglos.com/sport-outdoor/50 ... rship-deal
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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by GETHIN EXILE » Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:17 pm

Old Hob wrote:
Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:49 pm
I think you are entirely right. But they were always short of cash and I don't think could afford to gamble on buying players before their promotion was guaranteed. What the state of Ealing et al is, I haven't the foggiest.
London welsh had no option but to pick up "the leftovers" after fighting the court case to get their promotion. Unfortunately unlike Wasps they were not in a position (free transport to home games for season ticket holders & free tickets to try to get locals to sign up) to ensure they got sufficient income to support their move to Oxford.

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by kk20gb30 » Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:02 am

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by GETHIN EXILE » Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:30 pm

kk20gb30 wrote:
Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:23 am
Wonder what the Gloucester faithful will make of this ?
Whats in a name , after all ? The Compeed Shed ......

https://www.soglos.com/sport-outdoor/50 ... rship-deal
They wouldn't need Compeed if their boots fitted properly

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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by kk20gb30 » Thu Sep 09, 2021 8:25 am

Premiership 'ins' and 'outs' thus far ; All clubs :

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-new- ... hip-clubs/
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Re: Premiership 2021-2022

Post by chipnchase » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:22 pm

I'm really looking forward to this season, based on some club rebuilds and no major changes to squads im going with the below.

1. Bristol
2. Exeter
3. Saracens
4. Leicester
5. Harlequins
6. Sale
7. Wasps
8. London Irish
9. Worcester Warriors
10. Northampton Saints
11. Bath
12. Newcastle Falcons
13. Gloucester

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