BRISTOL (H) - 5th June 2021 (NO CITINGS)

[Cardiff Tig]

Shocking officiating at the end, but arguably we lost due to the inability to score in the first half.

I believe Lam that the original substitution of Afoa was marked up incorrectly, after that it was all a pack of rubbish, the non return of Kerr should also be looked at, but its PRL so zero confidence.....oh & the ball was still in the scrum but WW shouldn't of let Uren near it.

I'm not convinced. If Bristol had needed Afoa to come on at 70 mins or go down to 13 men for 10 mins then I suspect (with zero proof) that Afoa would have been sent on with Lam saying nothing.

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

I was sat thinking the same question ! Why didn’t Kerr come back on ?

Kerr is a hooker and it was a prop that was required.

Kerr never came back on at the end of his sin bin, Capon stayed on.

[Tigerbeat]

I was sat thinking the same question ! Why didn’t Kerr come back on ?

Kerr is a hooker and it was a prop that was required.

Kerr never came back on at the end of his sin bin, Capon stayed on.

Capon was made a permanent replacement which regularly happens. Kerr could not come on to play prop as his specialised position is down as hooker.

[Crofty]

Kerr is a hooker and it was a prop that was required.

Kerr never came back on at the end of his sin bin, Capon stayed on.

Capon was made a permanent replacement which regularly happens. Kerr could not come on to play prop as his specialised position is down as hooker.

Are the prop specialisms handed so to speak, could the other loose head come on?

[Tigerbeat]

Kerr never came back on at the end of his sin bin, Capon stayed on.

Capon was made a permanent replacement which regularly happens. Kerr could not come on to play prop as his specialised position is down as hooker.

Are the prop specialisms handed so to speak, could the other loose head come on?

The other prop may have either been marked as injured on the card in which case he could not return or was not trained to play blindside which could endanger the player.

[teds]

There's a good write-up of the last 15 mins or so in the Torygraph:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... gniter-rhr

It’s behind a firewall. I don’t suppose you could kindly summarise the key points?

[Welford56]

Who told Tempest, "You're not strong enough" at the end?

I thought it was Youngs

Both were off at the time, was it on the way to the tunnel? I'd presume Tom over Ben.

I believe it was Tom, after Tempest retreated from the fracas at the end and backtracked further into the pitch. There was a wide angle video on Youtube which seems to have been taken down now. Tom gave him both barrels though I just hope common sense prevails and there won't be a reprimand, given the circumstances and passions running high etc.

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

Capon was made a permanent replacement which regularly happens. Kerr could not come on to play prop as his specialised position is down as hooker.

Are the prop specialisms handed so to speak, could the other loose head come on?

The other prop may have either been marked as injured on the card in which case he could not return or was not trained to play blindside which could endanger the player.

Kerr replaced Capon at Hooker at HT. When Kerr got binned, Luatua threw into the lineout until there was a scrum, Piatau went off Capon back on, at the end if his sin bin Kerr should of returned & Capon back to the bench with Piatau back on the field, this is a separate issue to the prop fiasco.

[mol2]

I suspect Lam could find himself in trouble for seeking to claim Afoa was injured and for then suggesting any subsequent injury would be the fault of the ref.

[sapajo]

I suspect Lam could find himself in trouble for seeking to claim Afoa was injured and for then suggesting any subsequent injury would be the fault of the ref.

He and Tempest should both be in trouble. Tempest said to Lam I am not a medical expert you are the team manager and if you tell me Afoa is injured then he is injured. Lam said he was injured and then Tempest said OK who needs to come off now then as Bristol will go down to 13 and uncontested scrums.

That was about to happen and then Tempest asked the same question again to another member of the Bristol entourage and that person said it was a tactical substitution and Afoa was not injured and Lam confirmed that he was instantly now fit to play.

So Lam told a Porky and Tempest did not challenge the U turn allowing Afoa on thus handing the advantage back to Bristol not to mention the time it took to sort the mess out.

[daktari]

I suspect Lam could find himself in trouble for seeking to claim Afoa was injured and for then suggesting any subsequent injury would be the fault of the ref.

He and Tempest should both be in trouble. Tempest said to Lam I am not a medical expert you are the team manager and if you tell me Afoa is injured then he is injured. Lam said he was injured and then Tempest said OK who needs to come off now then as Bristol will go down to 13 and uncontested scrums.

That was about to happen and then Tempest asked the same question again to another member of the Bristol entourage and that person said it was a tactical substitution and Afoa was not injured and Lam confirmed that he was instantly now fit to play.

So Lam told a Porky and Tempest did not challenge the U turn allowing Afoa on thus handing the advantage back to Bristol not to mention the time it took to sort the mess out.

on interviews he's tried to explain/justify their actions...and got in a right tiz

[ourla]

As I had a busy social/family weekend didn't get to watch until late last night.

First of all let's say Tigers had opportunities to win the game both in the 80 and at the death so the defeat itself is acceptable and I don't have sour grapes on that one.

I feel the officials didn't help the situation. Tigers scrum was dominate in the last quarter or so of the game. So it was clear when we had a 5 metre attacking scrum that we would be driving over unless there was a screw up or Bristol collapsed in order to prevent it. I think at the point of the yellow a penalty try should have been given. It's no different to a driving maul situation. And there is little doubt if Bristol had not offended a try would have been scored.

The Afoa tactical/injury substitution then came into play. It seem pretty clear that Lam then tried to pull a fast one. I understand why he might not have wanted Afoa to come back on but he undoubtedly lied to try prevent his re-introduction, tried to pin any subsequent injuries on the referee and then backtracked when told to remove another player given he couldn't come on. It's not quite bloodgate but it's undoubtedly dodgy and in this part I feel sorry for Tempest who was being given the run around.

The next bit also sticks in the craw is that at the last scrum (with Afoa) Bristol's 9 (Uron) takes the ball from the feet off our 8 and kicks out it out. And was therefore offside. This seemed to go totally unnoticed by all officials who I suspect wanted to end the game asap to prevent further controversy.

So, all in all, a poor state of affairs.

[Old Hob]

In all that kerfuffle, just how many players did Bristol have on at the end? Prop goes off, Afoa comes on - who else went off to comply with the yellow card? I may have just missed it. Or did the officials miss that no-one else went off?

[SthrnTiger]

Are the prop specialisms handed so to speak, could the other loose head come on?

The other prop may have either been marked as injured on the card in which case he could not return or was not trained to play blindside which could endanger the player.

Kerr replaced Capon at Hooker at HT. When Kerr got binned, Luatua threw into the lineout until there was a scrum, Piatau went off Capon back on, at the end if his sin bin Kerr should of returned & Capon back to the bench with Piatau back on the field, this is a separate issue to the prop fiasco.

Very good spot. I think everyone else missed that. Only explanation I can think of is that Kerr came on originally as a HIA (?).

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

In all that kerfuffle, just how many players did Bristol have on at the end? Prop goes off, Afoa comes on - who else went off to comply with the yellow card? I may have just missed it. Or did the officials miss that no-one else went off?

Think Sheedy came off for Afoa.

I think its safe to say that Rugby Union didn't come out of it very well in a live game on Terrestrial TV with the messy ending.