RELEGATION SUSPENDED UNTIL 2024-25?
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As ever this is just speculation on a poor news day. We have gone through the pros and cons arguments for ring fencing many times and there are arguments both ways. This year has been an exception. We will see what the future holds.
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The mostly likely team to win the Championship should it not be Saracens would be Ealing. It would be then be interesting given this stated aiming of going to 14 teams anyway whether they would fudge Saracens into the Prem immediately. But I would imagine they would prefer Sarries to just get it done and then they can work the expansion into 14 out over the summer.Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:46 am If Saracens don't get promoted (unlikely I know) who thinks this will actually happen?
Power to do so is sill in place I believe but clearly wouldn't be undertaken. Would be surprised if anyone was dumb enough to get caught again though.Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:46 amIf a team breaks the Salary Cap could they still get relegated?
Well that is why they have reduced the cap to get finances under control. Prem is semi franchise these days anyway - Sarries, Wasps, Irish, Sale have all moved about to some extent. No way will rugby in England go regional.Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:46 amNext logical step will be franchises or regions unless there is a realism over player wages as the English game can't support the number of pro clubs it has now in a viable way.
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In regards to punishment for salary cap breaches it has always been an anomaly that the club gets punished but those that are responsible get away unblemished, if the league was ring fenced and another breach was uncovered it would make more sense for the CEO and DOR and owners to be banned from any involvement with rugby for a period, it will not happen as turkeys don't vote for Xmas.
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I wonder if the Wray family would pass the Wendyball Fit & Proper test to be owners?
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I don't think football can hold itself up to any more virtuous when it comes to fit and proper testing on owners!Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:08 pm I wonder if the Wray family would pass the Wendyball Fit & Proper test to be owners?
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That was kind if my point, but they do get a bit squeamish on money related issues, obviously not Human Rights though...ourla wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:08 pmI don't think football can hold itself up to any more virtuous when it comes to fit and proper testing on owners!Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:08 pm I wonder if the Wray family would pass the Wendyball Fit & Proper test to be owners?
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I fully supported the decision to scrap relegation for this season due to games being cancelled. It would have been an absolute farce if a team was relegated by a point when another team had played fewer fixtures and had gained more points due to their fixtures being cancelled. However, I am completely against ringfencing in general. There needs to be consequences for poor performance just as much as there needs to be reward for good performances. I do accept that the current situation is a bit silly seeing as many of the clubs are not capable of coming up but I'd much rather there was a genuine attempt to improve the situation in the championship than just seal off the premiership.
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What’s the incentive for clubs in Tier 2 to come top in the Championship ? There’s no trophy, no additional money and certainly no way to play against the best teams in England. If it happens, if I were a Championship club left to kick around Tier 2, I’d refuse to give any Premiership club’s players any game time. Let them play in the meaningless A League or LV Cup.
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Here's a few radical ideas -
RFU to only pay compensation to clubs for use of players but not pay the actual players, as I'm sure they don't lose any of their club salary while with England. This would save a minimum of £2.4 million which could give each championship side an extra £200,000.
End parachute payments to ensure a more level playing field in the Championship, if this means players having break clauses in contracts then so be it.
Link the salary cap to clubs average match day income.
RFU to only pay compensation to clubs for use of players but not pay the actual players, as I'm sure they don't lose any of their club salary while with England. This would save a minimum of £2.4 million which could give each championship side an extra £200,000.
End parachute payments to ensure a more level playing field in the Championship, if this means players having break clauses in contracts then so be it.
Link the salary cap to clubs average match day income.
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I don't know what the current situation is but I see no reason why there couldn't be a trophy and prize money.westwinds31 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:43 pm What’s the incentive for clubs in Tier 2 to come top in the Championship ? There’s no trophy, no additional money
Well, no but that is precisely the point of ring fencing.westwinds31 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:43 pmand certainly no way to play against the best teams in England.
As I said above a decision needs to be on exactly what the Championship is supposed to be. A second tier underneath the Premiership or the top tier of the game below the elite and ring fenced Premiership.
In North America there is the concept of Minor League - professional sports leagues which are not regarded as the premier leagues in those sports and operate separately.
In southern hemisphere rugby the primary club teams compete in Super Rugby whilst the next level compete in a professional domestic competition (NZ - Mitre 10, Aus - National Rugby Championship) so you could argue the Prem acts as Super Rugby in our situation.
Personally I think the Championship could thrive after ring fencing with the right approach. Or it could thrive as a second tier. IF and only if the RFU and PL get their act together, made a decision and put resource into make it happen/work.
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I don't like ring-fencing. What ambition does it leave for Championship clubs? None. It's a "blow you Jack, I'm all right" for Premiership clubs. Very non-demoratic, and unjust. Some clubs will doubtless fall by the wayside, or just fade into mediocrety as a result.
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Just playing devils advocate a bit here but who, with the incentive of promotion, has risen above mediocrity without either a massive cash injection to pay their way into the Premiership or without bankrupting themselves for one season in the top flight. It could be argued that all of these teams that aspire for premiership status and bemoan the lack of promotion have had years to build themselves up to that level but have failed behind big money investors and relegated premiership teams.Dangerous4 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:00 pm I don't like ring-fencing. What ambition does it leave for Championship clubs? None. It's a "blow you Jack, I'm all right" for Premiership clubs. Very non-demoratic, and unjust. Some clubs will doubtless fall by the wayside, or just fade into mediocrety as a result.
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Disagree with your last statement. I’ve had a season ticket since 1984 and although I enjoyed just rolling up to watch a mid-week game against the likes of Cambridge university there was nothing at stake and therefore didn’t get the juices flowing.
I really enjoy the intensity of the premiership and Europe and the chance to see world class players in front of 20k crowds. But if you prefer to see amateur players in front of 500 people that’s your prerogative .
I really enjoy the intensity of the premiership and Europe and the chance to see world class players in front of 20k crowds. But if you prefer to see amateur players in front of 500 people that’s your prerogative .
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You’re aware of the RFUs track record ? There won’t be a trophy, nor will there be the “right approach”. They’ve just fleeced the Championship by reducing the funding to a ridiculous amount.ourla wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:47 pm I don't know what the current situation is but I see no reason why there couldn't be a trophy and prize money
Personally I think the Championship could thrive after ring fencing with the right approach. Or it could thrive as a second tier. IF and only if the RFU and PL get their act together, made a decision and put resource into make it happen/work.
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Well indeed. But then the question isn't about ringfencing, it's about the RFU.westwinds31 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 6:00 pmYou’re aware of the RFUs track record ? There won’t be a trophy, nor will there be the “right approach”. They’ve just fleeced the Championship by reducing the funding to a ridiculous amount.ourla wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:47 pm I don't know what the current situation is but I see no reason why there couldn't be a trophy and prize money
Personally I think the Championship could thrive after ring fencing with the right approach. Or it could thrive as a second tier. IF and only if the RFU and PL get their act together, made a decision and put resource into make it happen/work.