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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Crofty » Wed Jan 20, 2021 11:45 am

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Player welfare seems a long way down the list for elite players with. Regular season, then play-offs, European competition, 6 Nations, Summer tour, Autumn Internationals and, every two years, either a World Cup or a Lions tour. Fifty week a year job nowadays
So maybe expansion of the league to 14 or 16 and splitting into a two conference structure is the answer. Expanded play offs to sort out top and bottom. You'd maybe have to have regular mix ups or some sort of cross conference game rotation to allow everyone to play everyone else with some form of regularity but I'm sure it could be done in a way that gets the number of games down. Use that to partially or even fully shut down the league during the internationals?
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Tiglon » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:13 pm

More teams equals more matches equals potentially more revenue for clubs. If something needs to be done for player welfare, it won't be reducing the number of matches and therefore reducing potential revenue, it will be restricting the number of matches a player can feature in - which is already in place for England squad members.

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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Tigerbeat » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:25 pm

Tiglon wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:13 pm
More teams equals more matches equals potentially more revenue for clubs. If something needs to be done for player welfare, it won't be reducing the number of matches and therefore reducing potential revenue, it will be restricting the number of matches a player can feature in - which is already in place for England squad members.
Not necessarily more matches as the Premiership Cup could be dropped or games reduced.
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Tiglon » Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:30 pm

Tigerbeat wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:25 pm
Tiglon wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:13 pm
More teams equals more matches equals potentially more revenue for clubs. If something needs to be done for player welfare, it won't be reducing the number of matches and therefore reducing potential revenue, it will be restricting the number of matches a player can feature in - which is already in place for England squad members.
Not necessarily more matches as the Premiership Cup could be dropped or games reduced.
How much difference would that make when the PC is already virtually a development competition with very few first team players appearing in it?

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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by JP14 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:04 pm

Tiglon wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:30 pm
Tigerbeat wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:25 pm
Tiglon wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:13 pm
More teams equals more matches equals potentially more revenue for clubs. If something needs to be done for player welfare, it won't be reducing the number of matches and therefore reducing potential revenue, it will be restricting the number of matches a player can feature in - which is already in place for England squad members.
Not necessarily more matches as the Premiership Cup could be dropped or games reduced.
How much difference would that make when the PC is already virtually a development competition with very few first team players appearing in it?
Well that depends on the team.
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by GETHIN EXILE » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:49 pm

JP14 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:04 pm
Tiglon wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:30 pm
Tigerbeat wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:25 pm

Not necessarily more matches as the Premiership Cup could be dropped or games reduced.
How much difference would that make when the PC is already virtually a development competition with very few first team players appearing in it?
Well that depends on the team.
the premiership cup needs to be made into an under 23 competition if it is to continue as too many teams do not use it properly as a development competition. Restricting the number of senior players will give coaches the chance to see how well the younger players perform in a genuine match situation

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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Tigerbeat » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:03 pm

The Premiership Cup started as the EDF Cup and was a route into the European Cup. That is not the case now so if the Premiership Cup remains it is still a piece of Silverware for the club.
If you want to have restrictions on age, set up a age competition or organise it for the academy or development squads.
The Premiership Cup is there to provide games / revenue for the Clubs during the international period and give players game time / rest where needed. There should not be any restriction on who can play as this is billed as a First Team competition and many season ticket holders may feel short changed if they are going to be watching 2-3 home matches where the players are realtively unknown. The diehards will enjoy any rugby.
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:27 pm

I would prefer a proper A League myself.
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by ourla » Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:59 pm

I would rather 14 and no conferences but are Ealing really geared up for it?
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Tigerbeat » Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:19 pm

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I would prefer a proper A League myself.
The main issue around this is that not all Clubs can field sides in the fixtures as there squads are smaller and financially not in a position.
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Scott1 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:18 pm

PRC under 23 with a maximum of 3 seniors in the 23 sounds good to me. Gives Injured players a route back to get match fitness.

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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:51 pm

Tigerbeat wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:19 pm
Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:27 pm
I would prefer a proper A League myself.
The main issue around this is that not all Clubs can field sides in the fixtures as there squads are smaller and financially not in a position.
I think with some collusion between teams in relation to ages & experience, it would be a sensible & maybe money making exercise, get the PRO 14 squads involved? Fix the league so if your First Team is away, the A team play at home on the Monday night, kick off at a time to attract fans, Pie & a Pint Deals..
It's either this or smaller squads & the championship being even more of a reserve league.
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by AngusMcCoatup » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:39 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:18 pm
PRC under 23 with a maximum of 3 seniors in the 23 sounds good to me. Gives Injured players a route back to get match fitness.
I have to agree with Scott1 the PRC should be separate from the first team squads and used for academy, development of the young players and the strict rule of a max of 3 senior players returning from injuries.we have unfortunately lost as well those Monday night A team fixtures in the Crumbie, yes where the pint and a pie or fish & chips we the order of the day after work. Happy memories of the time we filled the Crumbie and the Alliance & Leicester stand too.
The PRC was used by Sale, Worcester and others to win a trophy using their first team whilst their academy twiddled their thumbs or cleaned the first team boots afterwards. Oh to return to Crumbie! :smt023
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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by Flash » Thu Jan 21, 2021 4:39 pm

Or make the PRC a full blown cup competition fielding any team you like. The winner plays the top of the table team for a super cup type thing and scrap the playoffs.

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Re: Ealing beat Saracens

Post by h's dad » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:15 pm

AngusMcCoatup wrote:
Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:39 pm
Scott1 wrote:
Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:18 pm
PRC under 23 with a maximum of 3 seniors in the 23 sounds good to me. Gives Injured players a route back to get match fitness.
I have to agree with Scott1 the PRC should be separate from the first team squads and used for academy, development of the young players and the strict rule of a max of 3 senior players returning from injuries.we have unfortunately lost as well those Monday night A team fixtures in the Crumbie, yes where the pint and a pie or fish & chips we the order of the day after work. Happy memories of the time we filled the Crumbie and the Alliance & Leicester stand too.
The PRC was used by Sale, Worcester and others to win a trophy using their first team whilst their academy twiddled their thumbs or cleaned the first team boots afterwards. Oh to return to Crumbie! :smt023
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