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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Not a jock » Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:46 pm

I would ban the subs from the in goal area, esepcially when they flood into that area to celebrate a try being scored.

Too much gamemanship eg kicking the ball away after conceding a penalty. What happened to the 10m march back? Good to see Ross get penalised for his pat on Balmain's head.

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Mon Jan 04, 2021 9:25 pm

A fan doing it is one thing a paid member of staff at the rugby club breaking the rules when not being one of the players on the pitch is something else.
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Scott1 » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:04 pm

One for someone with a decent memory haha! I’m trying desperately to recall a situation where I believe a player was in the sin bin already and he caught the ball preventing a quick throw and he was red carded. It was definitely a premiership game and I’m almost sure that was the sequence of events. Can anyone help?!

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by daktari » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:13 pm

Not a jock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:46 pm
I would ban the subs from the in goal area, esepcially when they flood into that area to celebrate a try being scored.
Apparently they already are...it’s just never enforced, mainly due to lack of space for subs to do whatever it is subs do in the in goal area
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by northerntiger » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:53 pm

And if a fan touches it, it must have gone into the crowd anyway, so a quick throw would not be possible

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by wormus » Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:40 pm

Not a jock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:46 pm
I would ban the subs from the in goal area, esepcially when they flood into that area to celebrate a try being scored.

Too much gamemanship eg kicking the ball away after conceding a penalty. What happened to the 10m march back? Good to see Ross get penalised for his pat on Balmain's head.
I believe all "Finishers!" ie. Subs should be behind the posts of their teams and not behind the opposition's posts.
This simple change would prevent the team's subs flooding on after a score. I am probably alone on this one!
Slater's action and Du Preez's hit on Harris did not go un-noticed at a higher level they have both been cited.

I seem to remember Nigel yellow carding a ball boy ~ https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/rugby-union/39170280

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Crofty » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:14 am

northerntiger wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:53 pm
And if a fan touches it, it must have gone into the crowd anyway, so a quick throw would not be possible
The ball boy that was the cause of all this was behind an advertising hording, so it must have "gone into the crowd" so to speak, so a quick throw was not possible.

I think, from footage on Twitter, that there were two knock ons, both by Sale, the first one stayed on the field so the Sale player touching the ball for the second knock on that went into touch would be dead ball instantly anyway, scrum Gloucester, not a quick line-out.
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by JP14 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:33 am

Scott1 wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:04 pm
One for someone with a decent memory haha! I’m trying desperately to recall a situation where I believe a player was in the sin bin already and he caught the ball preventing a quick throw and he was red carded. It was definitely a premiership game and I’m almost sure that was the sequence of events. Can anyone help?!
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Scott1 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:49 am

JP14 wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:33 am
Scott1 wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:04 pm
One for someone with a decent memory haha! I’m trying desperately to recall a situation where I believe a player was in the sin bin already and he caught the ball preventing a quick throw and he was red carded. It was definitely a premiership game and I’m almost sure that was the sequence of events. Can anyone help?!
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Scott1 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:51 am

Found it,it was Alain Roland sending Skinner off for Quins. He had already been substituted and it was the second time it had happened in the game!

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by DingDong » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:02 am

daktari wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Not a jock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:46 pm
I would ban the subs from the in goal area, esepcially when they flood into that area to celebrate a try being scored.
Apparently they already are...it’s just never enforced, mainly due to lack of space for subs to do whatever it is subs do in the in goal area
Where for instance at Welford Road would you expect a sub to warm up?

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by AngusMcCoatup » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:05 pm

DingDong wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:02 am
daktari wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:13 pm
Not a jock wrote:
Mon Jan 04, 2021 7:46 pm
I would ban the subs from the in goal area, esepcially when they flood into that area to celebrate a try being scored.
Apparently they already are...it’s just never enforced, mainly due to lack of space for subs to do whatever it is subs do in the in goal area
Where for instance at Welford Road would you expect a sub to warm up?
They should warm up behind the posts / in goal area of their OWN team and not behind the opposition.
Mind you if I was a sub On Sunday I would warm up in the ABC bar!! :smt026
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Pundit » Tue Jan 05, 2021 12:40 pm

So-called "water carriers" run onto the pitch whenever they feel like it. There was a match recently in which the ref allowed penalties to be taken with these people kneeling in front of the posts; if the ball comes back off the post, it's still in play. No referee should restart play with medical or other staff on the field. No one should be permitted on the pitch without the ref's permission.

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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by Tigerbeat » Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:43 pm

Each side is permitted a set number of Doctors, medical staff, coaches and water carriers to be pitchside during the game. Coaches should stay within the Technical area during the game. Doctors and medical staff are free to enter the field of play to deal with injuries at any time and they tend to have water with them. Water carriers are only permitted during a break in play, when the clock has been stopped. Teams do try to get water on whilst a penalty is being lined up which is against the rules.......the fourth official at pitchside is responsible for managing the movements people within the dugouts but it is a very difficult job when you have 20 people to watch over.
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Re: Non playing staff interfering with play

Post by mol2 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:00 pm

If the water carriers were not permitted to enter without permission then the issue of getting in the line of kickers would not occur.

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