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Tiglon
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by Tiglon » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:20 pm
That looks like it was worth a straight red too. Awful. Was it Slater?
TMO's need to be pushed to prioritise watching for this sort of thing. I'd say it's becoming a joke, but it's far too dangerous to be funny.
Surely the players need to be educated on this too. We are quick to blame the officials, but players need to start taking responsibility for each other's safety.
There seems to be an increase in these no arm torpedoes into rucks recently - is it because refs are so quick to reward a jackal that the team in possession are having to resort to desperate measures to retain the ball?
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by OakhamTiger32 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:28 pm
Tiglon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:20 pm
That looks like it was worth a straight red too. Awful. Was it Slater?
TMO's need to be pushed to prioritise watching for this sort of thing. I'd say it's becoming a joke, but it's far too dangerous to be funny.
Surely the players need to be educated on this too. We are quick to blame the officials, but players need to start taking responsibility for each other's safety.
There seems to be an increase in these no arm torpedoes into rucks recently - is it because refs are so quick to reward a jackal that the team in possession are having to resort to desperate measures to retain the ball?
This is exactly what the TMO's should be picking up. There is absolutely no excuse to miss any of these incidents. Safety has to come first and as they are trying to minimise/eliminate contact with the head then why isn't the TMO stepping in? I have heard plenty of TMO's saying to the referee "you need to go back and hack a look at an incident" so why not these? Until they do then players will continue to clear out dangerously from rucks like this
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by Greenwhiteandred » Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:43 pm
Regarding the Du Preez/Harris incident - from my recollection TMO looked at it whilst play continued/break in play and told Dickson it was fine. Go figure
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by westwinds31 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:58 pm
SthrnTiger wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 9:50 am
westwinds31 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:39 am
loretta wrote: ↑Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:30 pm
Also interested in whether the citing officer needs to take a look at a head butt...
I’ve seen the clips, there’s no head butt that I can see. It’s one of those that if you look enough times, you may be able to convince yourself that there was one.
Commentator mentions he thinks he saw a headbutt by Yarde, hard to tell but watching highlights it looks to me like Yarde got picked up by his own teammates in the melee (?)
I’m sure Goodey will stir it up and try and get some podcast listeners by claiming it was a head butt.
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by westwinds31 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:58 pm
Greenwhiteandred wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:43 pm
Regarding the Du Preez/Harris incident - from my recollection TMO looked at it whilst play continued/break in play and told Dickson it was fine. Go figure
Correct and what’s Dickson supposed to do ? He’s asked and been told it’s fine.
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by Tiglon » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:34 pm
westwinds31 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 5:58 pm
Greenwhiteandred wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 1:43 pm
Regarding the Du Preez/Harris incident - from my recollection TMO looked at it whilst play continued/break in play and told Dickson it was fine. Go figure
Correct and what’s Dickson supposed to do ? He’s asked and been told it’s fine.
Exactly, Dickson's done his job there. I heard him ask if there were arms, someone told him yes, either assistant ref on the other side or TMO.
The problem is why the TMO thought there were arms, and didn't notice that contact was to the head.
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by Greenwhiteandred » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:01 pm
Exactly my point ref TMO - not a criticism of the ref - criticism of TMO - thanks for misinterpreting my comment
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by westwinds31 » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:21 pm
Greenwhiteandred wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:01 pm
Exactly my point ref TMO - not a criticism of the ref - criticism of TMO - thanks for misinterpreting my comment
No no, that’s reinforcing your point.
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by Greenwhiteandred » Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:30 pm
westwinds31 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:21 pm
Greenwhiteandred wrote: ↑Sun Jan 03, 2021 10:01 pm
Exactly my point ref TMO - not a criticism of the ref - criticism of TMO - thanks for misinterpreting my comment
No no, that’s reinforcing your point.
But I didn’t criticise Dickson on this one and your comment implied that I was ... hey ho.
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by wormus » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:11 am
It is confusing to say this is a four week ban on Slater as the panel decided that he would be banned from the following Gloucester games. ~ Newcastle, Ulster, Lyon and Northampton but given the present uncertainty over Covid cancelled games the Panel stated that if no such game takes place then the sanction may have to be revisited, in other words it is a four match ban and possibly for however many weeks. The same applies to Du Preez in three games not weeks.
https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/4b/4 ... final).pdf
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by BengalTiger » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:24 pm
It is a strange world, we have an offence that actually causes harm (player taken off for HIA) and an offence that does not, which gets 3 weeks and which gets 4?
The TMO should be banned for life if that is the best he can do!
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by Tiglon » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:30 pm
BengalTiger wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:24 pm
It is a strange world, we have an offence that actually causes harm (player taken off for HIA) and an offence that does not, which gets 3 weeks and which gets 4?
The TMO should be banned for life if that is the best he can do!
I think the only difference is that one was spotted by the HIA spotter, and the other wasn't. I wouldn't be so sure that one caused harm and one didn't.
Agree the TMO was poor to miss both of these, as was the Sale HIA spotter for missing the Slater incident. Lots of work to do!
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by wormus » Fri Jan 15, 2021 5:03 pm
wormus wrote: ↑Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:11 am
It is confusing to say this is a four week ban on Slater as the panel decided that he would be banned from the following Gloucester games. ~ Newcastle, Ulster, Lyon and Northampton but given the present uncertainty over Covid cancelled games the Panel stated that if no such game takes place then the sanction may have to be revisited, in other words it is a four match ban and possibly for however many weeks. The same applies to Du Preez in three games not weeks.
https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/4b/4 ... final).pdf
Well as I expected the four match ban on Ed Slater will be extended by two more matches as the 16/1 Ulster and 24/1 Lyon games are cancelled. Likewise the 3 match ban on Daniel Du Preez will be extended as the 16/11 Edinburgh and 22/1 Toulon games are cancelled. Let us get rid of Covid asap!!
