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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by Cardiff Tig » Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:18 am
Cardiff Tig wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:18 pm
The issue isn't about 10000 fans sitting in a stadium for 80 minutes, it's about how they travel to a game, the places they go before and after the match and how they leave that's the issue.
Harsh as it sounds for those who don't drive. I would (if I were allowed to organise the events) I would say only people who drive to and from the game in their "attendance pods" in one car, it removes risk from crowded routes. And have significantly staggered arrivals and exit times (those who have to arrive earlier get to leave sooner)

I would also recommend they stopped alcohol sales during the game, as it would encourage better behaviour and reduce drink driving.

Ok those who can't drive miss out but if that's the way to keep the club afloat I can't see many complaining.

It's a logistical challenge but it's not impossible in the slightest to safely reopen. Key is it needs buy in from all fans, a few idiots and it costs everyone the chance to keep the club afloat!
The problem is that the club can't tell people what to do except when they get in the stadium. The club also don't own a massive car park to park 2500 cars(say families of 4 for 10000 people). 1000s will still go into the city centre either before or after the game.

Glasgow Uni modelled how many students might have to be isolating at any one time and it was actually very low. The problem was that they didn't include the small number of people that would socialise knowing they were infectious in their modelling, and now hundreds are infected in halls.

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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by chewbacca » Sat Sep 26, 2020 10:49 am

Cardiff Tig wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:49 am
TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:18 am
Cardiff Tig wrote:
Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:18 pm
The issue isn't about 10000 fans sitting in a stadium for 80 minutes, it's about how they travel to a game, the places they go before and after the match and how they leave that's the issue.
Harsh as it sounds for those who don't drive. I would (if I were allowed to organise the events) I would say only people who drive to and from the game in their "attendance pods" in one car, it removes risk from crowded routes. And have significantly staggered arrivals and exit times (those who have to arrive earlier get to leave sooner)

I would also recommend they stopped alcohol sales during the game, as it would encourage better behaviour and reduce drink driving.

Ok those who can't drive miss out but if that's the way to keep the club afloat I can't see many complaining.

It's a logistical challenge but it's not impossible in the slightest to safely reopen. Key is it needs buy in from all fans, a few idiots and it costs everyone the chance to keep the club afloat!
The problem is that the club can't tell people what to do except when they get in the stadium. The club also don't own a massive car park to park 2500 cars(say families of 4 for 10000 people). 1000s will still go into the city centre either before or after the game.

Glasgow Uni modelled how many students might have to be isolating at any one time and it was actually very low. The problem was that they didn't include the small number of people that would socialise knowing they were infectious in their modelling, and now hundreds are infected in halls.
Indeed the only way to treat the pandemic is the same as driving. Everyone is an idiot that's out to kill you.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by BengalTiger » Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:25 am

Why is the government to blame for the state of Rugby finances?
The rich owners who have financed this explosion in player wages with no thought for a sustainable financial structure are to blame, they have put the clubs into hock for their own personal aggrandisement, Covid 19 is only the catalyst for a crunch that was always going to come.

People who just want to carry on regardless cannot know personally any vulnerable people who are cowering in their homes because they know that this disease is a death sentence for them, no if or buts it means their death!

The selfishness of a minority of the human race continues to astound and dispirit me, in specifics most of us would give our lives to save another but if the question is general, some people say, yes a few thousand deaths is a price worth paying so I can continue to enjoy my self as normal.

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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by jgriffin » Sat Sep 26, 2020 12:31 pm

I agree about club finances but they are to blame partly for the lack 9f joined up thinking, as are local authorities, as noted by several posters. When a clear safe plan is presented it should not be airily dismissed. This dismissal happened both nationally and locally with orienteering, a largely non spectator individual time trial sport with electronic start/finish/logging and GPS tracking, conducted mostly in rural areas. :smt009
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by Tiglon » Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:23 pm

Both government and clubs were poorly prepared for this - but so was I so I'm hardly in a position to throw blame around.

Perhaps this will drive change in professional sport and encourage clubs to live a bit more securely with something in the bank for a rainy day. I doubt it though.

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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by chewbacca » Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:16 pm

BengalTiger wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:25 am
Why is the government to blame for the state of Rugby finances?
The rich owners who have financed this explosion in player wages with no thought for a sustainable financial structure are to blame, they have put the clubs into hock for their own personal aggrandisement, Covid 19 is only the catalyst for a crunch that was always going to come.

People who just want to carry on regardless cannot know personally any vulnerable people who are cowering in their homes because they know that this disease is a death sentence for them, no if or buts it means their death!

The selfishness of a minority of the human race continues to astound and dispirit me, in specifics most of us would give our lives to save another but if the question is general, some people say, yes a few thousand deaths is a price worth paying so I can continue to enjoy my self as normal.
I think those who reject or ignore restrictions probably do know vulnerable people they just don't care. As you say all that matters is self and greed. Society died a couple of decades ago.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by jgriffin » Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:22 pm

RagingBull wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:05 pm
Exeter announce a bond plan
https://www.exeterchiefs.co.uk/news/exe ... -2027-bond
Given the massive seachange in Exeter's fanbase in recent years, it should work. Exe came up with a large and loyal local following, but in the last few years, assiduously courted by Rowe, have acquired a lot of ultra rich Londonistas and similar who have set up home at the end of a busy commuter line. My Exe supporting siblings are not poor at all, by any standards, but they go on about some of the nouveau fans (we never lost our working class roots and sensibilities). This should succeed, and outlive Rowe; Baxter is secure if Toulouse are beaten today.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by sk 88 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:34 am

RagingBull wrote:
Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:05 pm
Exeter announce a bond plan
https://www.exeterchiefs.co.uk/news/exe ... -2027-bond
Worth remembering this replaces their existing bond, this bond is offering a 7 year term at 5.5%. Can't see what the old one was paying off a quick google. I think that was for £7m with Rowe holding around £2m and the other directors around £1m.

Interesting the documents all use pictures of the theoretical stadium development but the text makes clear it is just for working capital and covering the shortfall in income due to the pandemic. And obviously paying off the old bond.

Exeter's bond model is good, though it just a cover for Rowe and the board to put money into the club in the same way Landsdowne & Wray put money into their own clubs.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by sk 88 » Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:41 am

Also first glance at finances in Coronavirus times.

Revenue fell from £21,699k to £17,129k, a fall of £4.5m or 21%. That was to June 30th, or 3 months ...

Their budgeted income for 20/21 financial year is £11.4m or a 50% drop from pre-Covid times.

Then back to normal with strong growth from 21/22.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by ay2oh » Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:39 pm

Why not introduce 3 year season tickets to help the club until finances improve
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by Robespierre » Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm

ay2oh wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:39 pm
Why not introduce 3 year season tickets to help the club until finances improve
If ringfencing comes and a guaranteed place in the Premiership is assured, then why not.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by Crofty » Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:28 am

Robespierre wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm
ay2oh wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:39 pm
Why not introduce 3 year season tickets to help the club until finances improve
If ringfencing comes and a guaranteed place in the Premiership is assured, then why not.
Best argument I can think of is that you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul; we'd survive this season and then have a revenue drop the next two seasons.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by Robespierre » Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:03 am

Crofty wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:28 am
Robespierre wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm
ay2oh wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:39 pm
Why not introduce 3 year season tickets to help the club until finances improve
If ringfencing comes and a guaranteed place in the Premiership is assured, then why not.
Best argument I can think of is that you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul; we'd survive this season and then have a revenue drop the next two seasons.
Maybe, but if ringfencing isn’t introduced and Tigers’ dire form continues, they’ll find themselves in the Championship with significantly reduced revenue, albeit with a significantly reduced wage bill.
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Re: Clubs on the brink

Post by JP14 » Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:30 am

Crofty wrote:
Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:28 am
Robespierre wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:25 pm
ay2oh wrote:
Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:39 pm
Why not introduce 3 year season tickets to help the club until finances improve
If ringfencing comes and a guaranteed place in the Premiership is assured, then why not.
Best argument I can think of is that you would be robbing Peter to pay Paul; we'd survive this season and then have a revenue drop the next two seasons.
If we're allowed full crowds from 21/22 surely revenue will pick up to normal levels anyway regardless of a 3 year season ticket.
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