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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by fortysix » Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:50 pm

We are actually very similar to West Indies Cricket.
So superior. For such a long time.
But wrecked by arrogant old fashioned imperialist thinking ( non-thinking) idiots at Board Level--who should have gone years ago.
And it really doesnt help having ex England players on the Board who might be great TV Pundits but are worthless as Non Exec Committee members.

Anyone agree ?????

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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by JP14 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:35 am

Not sure being imperialist is a failure of the board, if you mean stuck in the past, than that view does have merit of some members but currently I’m satisfied with the current board.

I would like Ben Kay to decide though if he wants to be a pundit or a board member, not both.
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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by johnthegriff » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:26 am

The Board has been a constantly changing body since its inception, the one constant has been Peter Tom as Chairman, I think he would agree that not all decisions made by the Board have with hindsight been correct but many have, unfortunately incorrect decisions sometimes have consequences that take time to emerge and longer to correct. Like JP14 I believe that we are now back on the right path and the current Board and management will take us forward.
JP questions Ben Kay's contribution to the Board, only his fellow directors know if his involvement is worthwhile, he is a non'executive director, he has a job as a pundit, I suggest that puts him in a unique position to be in the know about what is happening in our game elsewhere and bring to the table facts that otherwise ordinary business men/directors would be unaware of.
When we changed from being run by a committee to a PLC board my concern was that with professionalism there would cease to be a supply of men that had dedicated their early years to achieving on the pitch whilst gaining the relevant experience in a profession or business that would enable them to make a positive contribution in decision making, fewer still would identify particularly with one club as player movement between clubs increased. Time may cure that problem as players retire and over say twenty-five years develop second careers but in the meantime I think we are fortunate that we have Ben & Rory to speak at Board level about matters that non professional rugby players would not be aware of and present relevant facts when hard business decisions are being made.

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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by Noggs » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:31 am

JP14 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:35 am

I would like Ben Kay to decide though if he wants to be a pundit or a board member, not both.
I don't see any conflict.

As a pundit he gives good incisive comment on both the broader issues surrounding the game and actions on the field of play. No doubt he also makes good contributions at the board table, otherwise he would not keep his position. Unless of course you know different?
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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by BFG » Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:55 am

The board always gets the blame and to be honest it's a bit boring.
The youth development programmes were corrupted by the connected and Daddy coaches living the dream through their sons.
The talent tap stopped dripping whilst the bowl was slowly emptying.
Meanwhile the market for signings became extremely competitive.
It's that simple.
I think they had every right to sack Cockers, although it was very harsh he was DoR and so ultimately a drop in rugby standards was his responsibility.
Anyway that's in the past and I see green shoots in players like Steward.

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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by ourla » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:28 pm

fortysix wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:50 pm
But wrecked by arrogant old fashioned imperialist thinking ( non-thinking) idiots at Board Level--who should have gone years ago.

Anyone agree ?????
Not sure Imperialism is the right word. Or even old fashioned.

Other clubs caught up with us - in many ways emulating what we'd done before.

We struggled to respond and then made some bum moves. And once things are going poorly on the pitch it's easy to get rid of people. But then with that comes the issue of rebuilding/recruiting.

There have been a lot of board changes now and in turn coaching/player changes. So we need to give that time to grow. We certainly need to create a new history now. The dominant era Tigers is just that, history.
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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by sapajo » Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:45 pm

fortysix wrote:
Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:50 pm
We are actually very similar to West Indies Cricket.
So superior. For such a long time.
But wrecked by arrogant old fashioned imperialist thinking ( non-thinking) idiots at Board Level--who should have gone years ago.
And it really doesnt help having ex England players on the Board who might be great TV Pundits but are worthless as Non Exec Committee members.

Anyone agree ?????
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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by wellstiger » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:58 pm

I rate Brian Moore. Talks sense. No nonsense player. No nonsense pundit.
To be honest its only when you look inwards the problems become insurmountable.
I am under no illusion Mr Borthwick knows the challenge. He has stated " 2-3 seasons to get back to where we need to be".

Its every other b---ger that thinks/wants it to happen now or next season.

I believe that we are going to get there, the seeds are being sown. It won't be long before the knockers are knocked.The likes of Mr Moore will be eagerly awaiting our arrival. Then all the plaudits will be about how well the club, the coaches and players reacted in a time of adversity and only a great club as Tigers could have achieved that fate.
( To be continued )

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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by JP14 » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:25 pm

I feel like being a board member restricts Ben Kay in being able to say what he truly thinks, or maybe he genuinely believes everything he says about Tigers. In truth only he will know.
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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by Big Dai » Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:54 pm

This may be an oversimplification but the Tigers I remember were a first class, predominantly English, predominantly International pack with strength in depth of at least two per position with a bunch of adequate backs. (This includes you, Austin)

The last experiment was a stellar backline, the dream team, with a less than adequate bunch of forwards. Doomed to failure.

I've seen something of a resurgence recent that stems form the pack and I'm somewhat comforted.

If the ball winners can instill some confidence in the ball users something good may happen.

With due respect to Bill

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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by Robespierre » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:24 pm

Big Dai wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:54 pm
This may be an oversimplification but the Tigers I remember were a first class, predominantly English, predominantly International pack with strength in depth of at least two per position with a bunch of adequate backs. (This includes you, Austin)

The last experiment was a stellar backline, the dream team, with a less than adequate bunch of forwards. Doomed to failure.

I've seen something of a resurgence recent that stems form the pack and I'm somewhat comforted.

If the ball winners can instill some confidence in the ball users something good may happen.

With due respect to Bill

Keep the Faith.
The old adage -  Forwards win matches, the backs by how much
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Re: Brian Moore - Telegraph 14 Sep 2020

Post by Noggs » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:03 am

JP14 wrote:
Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:25 pm
I feel like being a board member restricts Ben Kay in being able to say what he truly thinks, or maybe he genuinely believes everything he says about Tigers. In truth only he will know.
I have to say I have seen no evidence of this and I do think he tells it as he sees it, very much like Moore.

As already said he is a non-exec board member, there for his insight and experience. His paid work is as a pundit and in my opinion he is the best one at it on the BT team.
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