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Championship clubs to break away?

Post by fleabane » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:22 am

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cham ... 7c32a8cb6c

A ring fenced league, with no relegation or promotion from National League One, and no drop-down from the Premiership has been proposed and agreed at a Championship meeting. A sixteen club league split into two divisions should ensure better financial stability, with fewer games improving player health.

Sarries could be the last club to make the drop.
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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by SthrnTiger » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:36 am

I think this is inevitable now. Would be very surprised if Sarries weren’t the last club to get relegated.

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Scott1 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:44 am

Does that mean we will have a 13 team premiership?

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by RichieB » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:45 am

Would that mean no way back in to Prem then - if no relegation or promotion? How would Sarries feel about that?

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Mark62 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:49 am

I think they need to in order to survive,.
It does say it would be a 13 team premiership, but I’m assuming this will be from the 21/22 season, with Sarries a certainty to be promoted
Again I don’t think a 13 team premiership is a bad thing with each side having 2 bye weeks, in a 26 week season.

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:50 am

RichieB wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:45 am
Would that mean no way back in to Prem then - if no relegation or promotion? How would Sarries feel about that?
The article says 13 team Prem, Sarries weren't involved in the meeting, but imagine if Sarries had a bloke sent off in the playoffs or something and missed the VERY LAST promotion spot...
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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Mark62 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:00 am

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:50 am
RichieB wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:45 am
Would that mean no way back in to Prem then - if no relegation or promotion? How would Sarries feel about that?
The article says 13 team Prem, Sarries weren't involved in the meeting, but imagine if Sarries had a bloke sent off in the playoffs or something and missed the VERY LAST promotion spot...
If they’re ring fencing they’ll get rid of the playoffs no point, in fact they may already have done that.
With the possible exception of Ealing it would be financial suicide for any championship club to be promoted into the premiership

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Post by johnthegriff » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:12 am

The play offs have been already been abandoned for the last few seasons. We cannot say that it would be financial suicide for any club promoted to the Premiership, a promoted team would generate new fans and investment in just the same way that Exeter and Worcester did and Ealing and Cornish Pirates might.
I really do not like ring fencing at any level and what will happen in the future if Saracens, Bristol, Bath or anyone else decides to cheat the cap, what will be an appropriate punishment?

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Tiglon » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:15 am

I'm guessing Ealing were the club that didn't agree. They must be more than a little frustrated...

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Post by Crofty » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:16 am

With no threat of relegation the promoted side could take the beatings for a couple of years while using the TV money to upgrade facilities such as stands to accommodate bigger crowds and then playing squad. Patience would be a new avenue open to clubs...
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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Mark62 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:20 am

johnthegriff wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:12 am
The play offs have been already been abandoned for the last few seasons. We cannot say that it would be financial suicide for any club promoted to the Premiership, a promoted team would generate new fans and investment in just the same way that Exeter and Worcester did and Ealing and Cornish Pirates might.
I really do not like ring fencing at any level and what will happen in the future if Saracens, Bristol, Bath or anyone else decides to cheat the cap, what will be an appropriate punishment?
I’m just not sure in the current climate they would, only Exeter were running at a profit before the pandemic. All in my opinion of course.

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Longshanks » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:58 am

Tiglon wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:15 am
I'm guessing Esling were the club that didn't agree. They must be more than a little frustrated...
Indeed. Very tough on the ambitious Championship clubs to discover there is a glass ceiling, no matter how well they perform or how much they invest in meeting the other Premiership eligibility criteria.

Or is there to be a route up by default (e.g.. should an existing Premiership club enter administration and no longer be a going concern)?

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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:17 pm

Longshanks wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:58 am
Tiglon wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:15 am
I'm guessing Esling were the club that didn't agree. They must be more than a little frustrated...
Indeed. Very tough on the ambitious Championship clubs to discover there is a glass ceiling, no matter how well they perform or how much they invest in meeting the other Premiership eligibility criteria.

Or is there to be a route up by default (e.g.. should an existing Premiership club enter administration and no longer be a going concern)?
To my mind there should be an even number of teams in a division, that way you can have all teams having a fixture in each round. Make an offer of 14 clubs and see which clubs are ambitious enough to try for it...
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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by ay2oh » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:28 pm

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:17 pm
Longshanks wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:58 am
Tiglon wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:15 am
I'm guessing Esling were the club that didn't agree. They must be more than a little frustrated...
Indeed. Very tough on the ambitious Championship clubs to discover there is a glass ceiling, no matter how well they perform or how much they invest in meeting the other Premiership eligibility criteria.

Or is there to be a route up by default (e.g.. should an existing Premiership club enter administration and no longer be a going concern)?
To my mind there should be an even number of teams in a division, that way you can have all teams having a fixture in each round. Make an offer of 14 clubs and see which clubs are ambitious enough to try for it...
Disagree. By having an odd number of teams it gives one team a rest every week-end :smt023
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Re: Championship clubs to break away?

Post by Longshanks » Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:38 pm

ay2oh wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:28 pm
TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 12:17 pm
Longshanks wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:58 am


Indeed. Very tough on the ambitious Championship clubs to discover there is a glass ceiling, no matter how well they perform or how much they invest in meeting the other Premiership eligibility criteria.

Or is there to be a route up by default (e.g.. should an existing Premiership club enter administration and no longer be a going concern)?
To my mind there should be an even number of teams in a division, that way you can have all teams having a fixture in each round. Make an offer of 14 clubs and see which clubs are ambitious enough to try for it...
Disagree. By having an odd number of teams it gives one team a rest every week-end :smt023
That would certainly be very popular with clubs, players and home unions who seem to be angling for more breaks.

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