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Whilst there’s no doubting the credentials of Walters, and understanding that there’s strength and conditioning magic that we don’t know about, I do wonder about fitness. How can one side be fitter, given the timeframe is similar for all clubs ? With the technology available, where you can measure every detail and there must be standards to reach, I find it incredible that Tigers can’t be as fit as other sides. Fitness sessions are surely planned to minute detail. Plus I know they have conditioned games where they over train the body so you can cope under fatigue. Maybe we over trained and we were too tired ? Seems bizarre to me.
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Longshanks wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:09 pm
speedski wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:40 pm https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCftrETH9h ... utwo09plwg

V is going to be badly missed. Have to wonder now - his wording is pretty conclusive that someone other than him made the decision.
He was hardly going to post on Instagram "I couldn't accept the same pay cut as those staying" was he?
Personally I think it’s time to move on. Manu and TV have made their respective decisions that was in their own best interests and fair enough. I will miss them both, but it’s time to wish them adieu and good luck and for all of us to move on to the next chapter.
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westwinds31 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 pm Whilst there’s no doubting the credentials of Walters, and understanding that there’s strength and conditioning magic that we don’t know about, I do wonder about fitness. How can one side be fitter, given the timeframe is similar for all clubs ? With the technology available, where you can measure every detail and there must be standards to reach, I find it incredible that Tigers can’t be as fit as other sides. Fitness sessions are surely planned to minute detail. Plus I know they have conditioned games where they over train the body so you can cope under fatigue. Maybe we over trained and we were too tired ? Seems bizarre to me.
Whilst there is a lot of truth in what you say, what is in no doubt is that consensus of opinion in South African rugby that they would not have won RWC without his input.
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Mark62 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:21 pm
westwinds31 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 pm Whilst there’s no doubting the credentials of Walters, and understanding that there’s strength and conditioning magic that we don’t know about, I do wonder about fitness. How can one side be fitter, given the timeframe is similar for all clubs ? With the technology available, where you can measure every detail and there must be standards to reach, I find it incredible that Tigers can’t be as fit as other sides. Fitness sessions are surely planned to minute detail. Plus I know they have conditioned games where they over train the body so you can cope under fatigue. Maybe we over trained and we were too tired ? Seems bizarre to me.
Whilst there is a lot of truth in what you say, what is in no doubt is that consensus of opinion in South African rugby that they would not have won RWC without his input.
Agreed, but I still don’t get how we haven’t been fit enough in recent seasons.
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westwinds31 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:52 pm
Mark62 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:21 pm
westwinds31 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 pm Whilst there’s no doubting the credentials of Walters, and understanding that there’s strength and conditioning magic that we don’t know about, I do wonder about fitness. How can one side be fitter, given the timeframe is similar for all clubs ? With the technology available, where you can measure every detail and there must be standards to reach, I find it incredible that Tigers can’t be as fit as other sides. Fitness sessions are surely planned to minute detail. Plus I know they have conditioned games where they over train the body so you can cope under fatigue. Maybe we over trained and we were too tired ? Seems bizarre to me.
Whilst there is a lot of truth in what you say, what is in no doubt is that consensus of opinion in South African rugby that they would not have won RWC without his input.
Agreed, but I still don’t get how we haven’t been fit enough in recent seasons.
At the elite level fractions of percentages can be the difference. Investing in fitness coaching, facilities and technology and getting the absolute best to find marginal gains is a huge, huge advantage.

As you say, all clubs will be good, so the bar is high, but there is still differentiation.
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Mark62 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 6:21 pm
westwinds31 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 5:20 pm Whilst there’s no doubting the credentials of Walters, and understanding that there’s strength and conditioning magic that we don’t know about, I do wonder about fitness. How can one side be fitter, given the timeframe is similar for all clubs ? With the technology available, where you can measure every detail and there must be standards to reach, I find it incredible that Tigers can’t be as fit as other sides. Fitness sessions are surely planned to minute detail. Plus I know they have conditioned games where they over train the body so you can cope under fatigue. Maybe we over trained and we were too tired ? Seems bizarre to me.
Whilst there is a lot of truth in what you say, what is in no doubt is that consensus of opinion in South African rugby that they would not have won RWC without his input.
This is why elite sport is about 'fine margins'. We've all heard about marginal gains. The difference between winning and losing in elite sport, is about having a marginal advantage precisely because as you say, at the elite level everyone has access to the technology, the research, the nutrition data, knows everything about themselves, their teammates, the opposition players, even the opposition coaches and their habits, the referees.

So the search is always on to find the individuals, not to find a 20% advantage, but a 0.1% advantages, across three or four areas of performance because that will make the difference. That's why getting the very best backroom staff, such as Aled Walters is so crucial. It doesn't guarantee victory every time, one off performances are still possible, but it guarantees a consistency of excellence performance.

Conversely I'd argue the reason Tigers have been so pitifully poor in recent seasons is at least partly attributable to the paucity of the backroom team.

The British Olympic cycling team has been 'all conquering' in recent years. But if you watch the individual races even the most dominant performers have simply been a millisecond on the right side of a gold / silver, or silver / bronze or bronze / 4th place.

Exciting times for Tigers - a long time since I heard the phrase - but with the backroom staff they have now - its a no excuse environment for the players. Which is a good think.
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Agree with everything previously posted. There are also different types of fitness, I’m afraid I don’t know the scientific names, but there are such things as endurance, strength, explosive, so for example if he is able to coach our outsides backs for example, to be more explosive in the carry that obviously brings advantages
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Nick Abendanon has signed a 2-year deal for french club Vannes (official).
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jauzy19 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:31 pm Nick Abendanon has signed a 2-year deal for french club Vannes (official).
From his previous quotes, it sounds as though he would have prioritised Premiership over D2 so it seems likely we didn't make him an offer. Or it was a rubbish offer.
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Quietly glad about that.
I’m of the opinion that despite his good form at Cleremont, he’s not quite what we need, experience alone isn’t reason to sign him.
I feel there are three types of fullback, to put them into types
  • Second Receiver (functional secondary fly half) - eg Alex Goode, Beauden Barrett, Willie Le Roux, Kurtley Beale
  • Physically Dominant (technical specialist, high ball, defensive etc without relinquishing attacking instincts in some cases) - eg Mike Brown, Israel Folau, Ben Smith, Rob Kearney, Liam Williams
  • Counter Attack (deft/elusive runner) - eg Telusa Veianu, Nick Abendanon, Stuart Hogg
In truth I see us shaping up with a more pragmatic approach, utilising type 1 or 2. Either a hard running 12/13 and having a second receiver at 15, or alternatively a playmaker 12 & direct 13 midfield combo with a dominant (physical) 15. Veianu doesn’t quite match that either, and as such I expected him to feature more on the wing this year with Worth intially at 15, or even Henry/McPhillips (type 1), to be surpassed in time by Steward (type 2).
Abendanon doesn’t make sense as anything other than a short term fix until the end of the season based on sheer numbers available. Longer term there are far better options out there, or even just those within the club.
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Noel Reid - apparent destination France:

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/noel-rei ... -new-club/
Seemingly heading rapidly toward senility .....Not long or far to go now , in fact, getting worse daily.....
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Tiglon wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:02 pm
jauzy19 wrote: Sat Jul 11, 2020 7:31 pm Nick Abendanon has signed a 2-year deal for french club Vannes (official).
From his previous quotes, it sounds as though he would have prioritised Premiership over D2 so it seems likely we didn't make him an offer. Or it was a rubbish offer.
Probably a one year offer from us, given his age, and he likely just wants some security at this stage of his career.
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De la Fuente signs for Perpignan for 3 years. The Instagram follow must just mean he is a Tigers Fan!! :smt038 :smt003
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Think we’re still linked with Huw Jones and Matias Orlando, or both, given three centres have left the club.
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Orlando Is also not really a Rumours currently
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