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Venues together with dates now being looked at:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/52660540
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I think Twickenham will be the preferred option, considering that London is weeks ahead of other areas in the country in terms of infection. Perhaps Welford Road could be considering given its centrality, hybrid pitch but we do suffer from not having adjoining training facilities.
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The actual story leads with a picture of Twickenham. The Headline page on BBC Rugby U suggests a different venue........
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Worcester could be a likely option with it's location, it's surface, and those pitches outside.
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Loughborough University would be a better option. Large campus that is currently a ghost town. Lots of available warm up space given the elite level of facilities. Including space for medical attention. Could easily have a helicopter or ambulance ready to access hospitals. From memory the rugby pitch is fairly open so cameras could be stationed anywhere. Plus with the accomodation onsite you could isolate the players for a couple of days before the game once their testing had been done.

Who needs a stadium that will be empty anyway?

I believe Bath University have a good set up as well and possibly Pennyhill Park?

Opening up a big stadium will be expensive and trying to find a rugby ground with available training space and room for multiple teams will be very tough given current rugby stadia. Sarries ground would be the one that immediately jumps to mind as meeting the criteria. Gives somewhat of a home advantage.
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sam16111986 wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:42 am Loughborough University would be a better option. Large campus that is currently a ghost town. Lots of available warm up space given the elite level of facilities. Including space for medical attention. Could easily have a helicopter or ambulance ready to access hospitals. From memory the rugby pitch is fairly open so cameras could be stationed anywhere. Plus with the accomodation onsite you could isolate the players for a couple of days before the game once their testing had been done.

Who needs a stadium that will be empty anyway?

I believe Bath University have a good set up as well and possibly Pennyhill Park?

Opening up a big stadium will be expensive and trying to find a rugby ground with available training space and room for multiple teams will be very tough given current rugby stadia. Sarries ground would be the one that immediately jumps to mind as meeting the criteria. Gives somewhat of a home advantage.
Excellent post and I would imagine there are a number of other universities with similar facilities, Durham for example.
From memory the pitch is raised with excellent all round viewing and a drop kick away from one of the national centres for sports medicine
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Mark62 wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:56 am
sam16111986 wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:42 am Loughborough University would be a better option. Large campus that is currently a ghost town. Lots of available warm up space given the elite level of facilities. Including space for medical attention. Could easily have a helicopter or ambulance ready to access hospitals. From memory the rugby pitch is fairly open so cameras could be stationed anywhere. Plus with the accomodation onsite you could isolate the players for a couple of days before the game once their testing had been done.

Who needs a stadium that will be empty anyway?

I believe Bath University have a good set up as well and possibly Pennyhill Park?

Opening up a big stadium will be expensive and trying to find a rugby ground with available training space and room for multiple teams will be very tough given current rugby stadia. Sarries ground would be the one that immediately jumps to mind as meeting the criteria. Gives somewhat of a home advantage.
Excellent post and I would imagine there are a number of other universities with similar facilities, Durham for example.
From memory the pitch is raised with excellent all round viewing and a drop kick away from one of the national centres for sports medicine
Not sure universities could, being educational facilities they might come under that umbrella.
If they were to open up their faciliites to others before paying students then it could leave them wide open to have to reimburse student fees.
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BFG wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:33 pm
Mark62 wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:56 am
sam16111986 wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:42 am Loughborough University would be a better option. Large campus that is currently a ghost town. Lots of available warm up space given the elite level of facilities. Including space for medical attention. Could easily have a helicopter or ambulance ready to access hospitals. From memory the rugby pitch is fairly open so cameras could be stationed anywhere. Plus with the accomodation onsite you could isolate the players for a couple of days before the game once their testing had been done.

Who needs a stadium that will be empty anyway?

I believe Bath University have a good set up as well and possibly Pennyhill Park?

Opening up a big stadium will be expensive and trying to find a rugby ground with available training space and room for multiple teams will be very tough given current rugby stadia. Sarries ground would be the one that immediately jumps to mind as meeting the criteria. Gives somewhat of a home advantage.
Excellent post and I would imagine there are a number of other universities with similar facilities, Durham for example.
From memory the pitch is raised with excellent all round viewing and a drop kick away from one of the national centres for sports medicine
Not sure universities could, being educational facilities they might come under that umbrella.
If they were to open up their faciliites to others before paying students then it could leave them wide open to have to reimburse student fees.
Social distancing students who can be more than hundred to a lecture hall and will number in their thousands then social distancing four rugby teams say at around 400 people plus maybe another 100 various broadcasters and officials. Night and day which is easier. If the restart date is July as alleged then last season would be finished before the start of the next academic year in September.

A lot of the universities are currently doing remote teaching to try and keep on top of the closures. Irrelevant of whether the rugby goes on students will want their fees back. It's unlikely the university will be able to get then prepped and exam ready anytime soon.

The chance for some closed universities to make money from professional rugby would be very welcome as well as the loss of the hospitality business will be very damaging. Loughborough Uni for instance have Burleigh Court sat empty which would normally be full of people for day spas, on corporate aways days or conferences and seminars.
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sam16111986 wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:42 am Loughborough University would be a better option. Large campus that is currently a ghost town. Lots of available warm up space given the elite level of facilities. Including space for medical attention. Could easily have a helicopter or ambulance ready to access hospitals. From memory the rugby pitch is fairly open so cameras could be stationed anywhere. Plus with the accomodation onsite you could isolate the players for a couple of days before the game once their testing had been done.

Who needs a stadium that will be empty anyway?

I believe Bath University have a good set up as well and possibly Pennyhill Park?

Opening up a big stadium will be expensive and trying to find a rugby ground with available training space and room for multiple teams will be very tough given current rugby stadia. Sarries ground would be the one that immediately jumps to mind as meeting the criteria. Gives somewhat of a home advantage.
Loughborough would also be good for its centrality.
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Unless the universities recall certain students back for an amended term, they should have ended for summer by July 3rd anyway.

Possibility now being mooted is moving the return forward by a week, but I would act with caution as things could so easily change in the current climate.
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So maybe a return of a few games before this autumn behind closed doors might be possible.
The key to unlock the door for spectators will either be that the virus dies out, a vaccine is deployed to 80% of the population or as a population we accept the risk and the inevitable implications.
Realistically there probably won't be a mass spectator attended sporting fixture until the end of 2021 at the earliest even if a vaccine development is successful this year - 2 seasons minimum of unattended games. Rugby (along with other spectator sports) need to work out how to generate a sustainable existence without supporters at games or events. Pay per view behind closed doors or similar will be required in order to survive.
Life has changed and the normality we had 3 months ago has gone, a belief that Saturday afternoons will return to welford road in October is wishful thinking!!!
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St George’s Park?
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Grimlish wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 8:35 am St George’s Park?
I had a similar thought, but don’t how they would be set up for a rugby pitch, posts etc
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Premier league football training on a small scale to resume tomorrow.
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BFG wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 3:41 pm
biffer wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 2:50 pm
JP14 wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 3:47 pm The government hasn’t specifically singled out rugby so if all goes to plan hopefully the target of July 3-5th is now more realistic.

The issues now for Premiership Rugby is to whether host all matches at a neutral venue or continue at normal stadia behind closed doors. Let’s hope the clubs are more unified than their football counterparts.
It's not about whether or not the government singles a sport out, it's about whether or not that sport can provide a suitably safe workspace for players and officials. That's a legal obligation which nowadays carries very heavy penalties if the worst happens, i.e. jail time for execs. It's much easier to see how you can do that in golf than in rugby.
What kind of legal obligation exists and does it apply to all or specific viruses?
An employer has an obligation to provide a safe working environment. That doesn't mean you have to be wrapped in cotton wool, it means your employer has to take reasonable steps to protect your health. his is where all sorts of employers may have difficulties - there are some activities which might not be considered safe until a vaccine is found.
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