The point is that we aren’t in a 7yr project it’s year 2 at best.
Results are :censored: but there is progress and off the pitch at least a semblance of a plan and has been for 12 months or so now
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The point is that we aren’t in a 7yr project it’s year 2 at best.
It's going to be gradual and will take a couple more seasons. If you want/demand immediate improvement then I'm afraid you're in the wrong placesapajo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:22 pmThe fact is it's been 7 seasons since Tigers made a premiership final and we have had and continue to experience the 2 worst seasons in our history.. So please can you confirm how many more seasons do you believe we must continue to wait patiently for in order to successfully complete this long haul project?longlivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:16 pmEveryone seriously needs to get a grip! Whatever you think of Murphy's respective merits or otherwise as a head coach the fact is that he's staying on as part of the axis with Borthwick. We've had seasons of under investment in the pack which was partially rectified last summer. The back play, which seems to have gone backwards from the point at which Mike Ford first came in, is not down to Murphy - that is down to the backs/attack coach which is Mike Ford. The style of play is going to be dictated by Borthwick and the selection will be decided by Murphy and Borthwick, with Murphy having the overall casting vote - this has been confirmed in numerous articles on the club website and in press releases as well at the open forum earlier in the week.Cagey Tiger wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:03 pm
Do we have to have this every game until SB arrives and gets his feet under the table? It's only a week or two away. Or is this just getting a parting shot in?
We've been in decline for some time and that's primarily down to poor recruitment and the academy falling away. Those things are not fixed overnight. Anyone who thinks that Borthwick appearing will magically turn things around immediately is kidding themselves. This is going to take time, people. Take a chill pill, have some patience and get a grip (please) - this is a long haul project not an overnight quick fix
There you again I never said we were in a 7 year project I said its 7 years since we last reached the premiership and that's a fact. Read what I actually post and stop misrepresenting it to suit your agenda.DeadlyDunc wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:53 pmThe point is that we aren’t in a 7yr project it’s year 2 at best.
Results are but there is progress and off the pitch at least a semblance of a plan and has been for 12 months or so now
Except... he IS the Head Coach. So you're saying that the BoD don't consider him a HC, yet offered him the job and that he doesn't consider himself a HC, yet accepted the job? That sounds like a monumentally stupid cock up to me.DeadlyDunc wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:50 pmBlimey!sapajo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:22 pmThe fact is it's been 7 seasons since Tigers made a premiership final and we have had and continue to experience the 2 worst seasons in our history.. So please can you confirm how many more seasons do you believe we must continue to wait patiently for in order to successfully complete this long haul project?longlivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:16 pm
Everyone seriously needs to get a grip! Whatever you think of Murphy's respective merits or otherwise as a head coach the fact is that he's staying on as part of the axis with Borthwick. We've had seasons of under investment in the pack which was partially rectified last summer. The back play, which seems to have gone backwards from the point at which Mike Ford first came in, is not down to Murphy - that is down to the backs/attack coach which is Mike Ford. The style of play is going to be dictated by Borthwick and the selection will be decided by Murphy and Borthwick, with Murphy having the overall casting vote - this has been confirmed in numerous articles on the club website and in press releases as well at the open forum earlier in the week.
We've been in decline for some time and that's primarily down to poor recruitment and the academy falling away. Those things are not fixed overnight. Anyone who thinks that Borthwick appearing will magically turn things around immediately is kidding themselves. This is going to take time, people. Take a chill pill, have some patience and get a grip (please) - this is a long haul project not an overnight quick fix
Murphys getting the blame for the entire 7 years then?
As I’ve said any number of times, the decline started a decade ago and coincided with salary caps, poor recruitment, poor appointments of coaches and the rest of the league getting better as we got worse.
Very little of the above was GMs fault and I’d argue that recruitment and appointment of coaches has improved with Borthwick coming in.
I’ve also said it’s pretty clear no-one including GM himself considers him a Head Coach - he’s a DoR and
I won’t judge him until Borthwick is in position as that is going to be his key decision to be measured against
As the old saying goes, ' staff are promoted to their level of inefficiency '. True whatever line of work one is in. We've all worked for people who were promoted once too often I bet.Tiglon wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:53 pmExcept... he IS the Head Coach. So you're saying that the BoD don't consider him a HC, yet offered him the job and that he doesn't consider himself a HC, yet accepted the job? That sounds like a monumentally stupid cock up to me.DeadlyDunc wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:50 pmBlimey!sapajo wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:22 pm
The fact is it's been 7 seasons since Tigers made a premiership final and we have had and continue to experience the 2 worst seasons in our history.. So please can you confirm how many more seasons do you believe we must continue to wait patiently for in order to successfully complete this long haul project?
Murphys getting the blame for the entire 7 years then?
As I’ve said any number of times, the decline started a decade ago and coincided with salary caps, poor recruitment, poor appointments of coaches and the rest of the league getting better as we got worse.
Very little of the above was GMs fault and I’d argue that recruitment and appointment of coaches has improved with Borthwick coming in.
I’ve also said it’s pretty clear no-one including GM himself considers him a Head Coach - he’s a DoR and
I won’t judge him until Borthwick is in position as that is going to be his key decision to be measured against
So what was the conversation when Geordie was appointed HC?
Cohen: "What are our options? We could go and search for a new HC, or we could appoint Murphy, but he won't be very good at it."
Murphy: "Yeah I'm definitely not a HC, I'd be a terrible HC."
Cohen: "So it's decided, we'll appoint Geordie as HC even though he's definitely not a HC and we all agree it won't be a success. All in favour?"
Murphy: "I'll have a crack at it, but like I said, I'll be really bad at it."
Everyone else: "Great idea, let's do it."
In my work place, there are plenty of people who would be incapable of competently performing certain roles - so I don't give them those roles. It's not hard to avoid giving someone a job they won't be very good at when you know they won't be very good at it and when they themselves know they won't be very good at it.
Luckily, it's nearly over and we are all completely certain that Murphy will be brilliant at another job that he's never done before. What could go wrong?
Agreed. The ineffective attack is now causing us issues. Generally the defence is half decent and the forwards do well but we do little with the ball when we have it. Hoping to get the England contingent back might help but it's unlikely to fix all our problems.BFG wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:41 pm I don't think that Leicester have found the right blend yet.
Can't fault the effort but could've done with a bit more attacking prowess in my opinion.
It was workmanlike but in the end it's about scoring more points than conceded.
I get the impression that Leicester have worked very hard to survive it but just want this international period to be over now.
Which was kinda my point on an earlier post. Mike Ford is the attack coach and our attack is ineffectual at best. For all the finger pointing at Geordan, what the hell is Ford doing with the attack? When he came in last year we looked better than we do now. Was that a dead cat bouncing situation?sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:29 amAgreed. The ineffective attack is now causing us issues. Generally the defence is half decent and the forwards do well but we do little with the ball when we have it. Hoping to get the England contingent back might help but it's unlikely to fix all our problems.BFG wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:41 pm I don't think that Leicester have found the right blend yet.
Can't fault the effort but could've done with a bit more attacking prowess in my opinion.
It was workmanlike but in the end it's about scoring more points than conceded.
I get the impression that Leicester have worked very hard to survive it but just want this international period to be over now.
I wonder if the whole attack is set up for George & that it won't work without him, but it hasn't exactly worked with him either, I have never been convinced by Ford Snr, certainly not attacking wise. 12 is still a real problem position for us, I would like to see us give Worth a run there.longlivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:33 amWhich was kinda my point on an earlier post. Mike Ford is the attack coach and our attack is ineffectual at best. For all the finger pointing at Geordan, what the hell is Ford doing with the attack? When he came in last year we looked better than we do now. Was that a dead cat bouncing situation?sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:29 amAgreed. The ineffective attack is now causing us issues. Generally the defence is half decent and the forwards do well but we do little with the ball when we have it. Hoping to get the England contingent back might help but it's unlikely to fix all our problems.BFG wrote: ↑Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:41 pm I don't think that Leicester have found the right blend yet.
Can't fault the effort but could've done with a bit more attacking prowess in my opinion.
It was workmanlike but in the end it's about scoring more points than conceded.
I get the impression that Leicester have worked very hard to survive it but just want this international period to be over now.
I don't think it's an issue with the person in the 12 shirt I think it's an issue with the structure or lack thereof. All our attacking moves are far to easy to identify. Unsure what Ford Snr is doing also. I wonder if Borthwick will ask to bring in any of his own people?Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:41 amI wonder if the whole attack is set up for George & that it won't work without him, but it hasn't exactly worked with him either, I have never been convinced by Ford Snr, certainly not attacking wise. 12 is still a real problem position for us, I would like to see us give Worth a run there.longlivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:33 amWhich was kinda my point on an earlier post. Mike Ford is the attack coach and our attack is ineffectual at best. For all the finger pointing at Geordan, what the hell is Ford doing with the attack? When he came in last year we looked better than we do now. Was that a dead cat bouncing situation?sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:29 am
Agreed. The ineffective attack is now causing us issues. Generally the defence is half decent and the forwards do well but we do little with the ball when we have it. Hoping to get the England contingent back might help but it's unlikely to fix all our problems.