Murphy's "vision".
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I wouldn't have a clue where to begin to right our performances what concerns me is that those whose job it is might not either.
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I believe it is a combination of the right calibre of coaches who will create synergy in a squad first, then build on the game strategy fed from the Head Coach across the board to the specialist coaches. That synergy is the key.
Murphy has been the block to all of this, his complete incompetence is well documented, so I hope Borthwick brings the right vision and drive to get the players to buy into the coaches and also each other.
Can anyone explain exactly what a DoR role entails? I just hope there's no involvement with coaching, recruitment or game plan otherwise the block will still be in place.
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"I had a dream" MLK to "I have a vision" GM
I've said it before - Great player. Great commitment to club. Not so great a coach.
We invest heavily in getting out Cubs to Academy achieving and in the past there has been very little development to senior team.
Therefore I commend GM for this vision of giving the opportunity. I commend him for retaining our top players shows a shrewd investment.
I believe that in the mid to long term this will bear results. The problem is we are in an age when we want instant success.
The long period of decline has been a big impact with stop gap recruitment. Clutching at straws.Finding the right coaches.
I am hopeful that - if it is GM planned vision (or most likely Pat H /joint vision) with the SB addition, we will see a measured turnaround in fortunes.
Yes the Sarries debacle has helped this season. We got out of jail last season( thanks to GF ) It will be interesting to see if JMay
resigns or leaves, and who else is let go.
Does SB have any input yet behind the scenes? I, as the previous 4-5 seasons am hopeful for the start of the new season.
Am I delusional, optimistic or kidding myself?
I've said it before - Great player. Great commitment to club. Not so great a coach.
We invest heavily in getting out Cubs to Academy achieving and in the past there has been very little development to senior team.
Therefore I commend GM for this vision of giving the opportunity. I commend him for retaining our top players shows a shrewd investment.
I believe that in the mid to long term this will bear results. The problem is we are in an age when we want instant success.
The long period of decline has been a big impact with stop gap recruitment. Clutching at straws.Finding the right coaches.
I am hopeful that - if it is GM planned vision (or most likely Pat H /joint vision) with the SB addition, we will see a measured turnaround in fortunes.
Yes the Sarries debacle has helped this season. We got out of jail last season( thanks to GF ) It will be interesting to see if JMay
resigns or leaves, and who else is let go.
Does SB have any input yet behind the scenes? I, as the previous 4-5 seasons am hopeful for the start of the new season.
Am I delusional, optimistic or kidding myself?
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Things are in place for change and time will tell whether the appointment of Borthwick is a step along the way to solving our on field problems. There won't be any other changes until we have had a chance to see if this works so any further debate on the subject seems somewhat pointless.
Life can be unpredictable, so eat your pudding first!
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I too believe that as with Sarries and Exeter we need to develop players through the academy and for that I applaud GM. I do however feels that with the players we have we should be performing better than we do, hopefully SB can achieve that.
I'm not cynical just experienced
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Well I'd agree with that to an extent but I think it goes further than that. I think the ownership/BoD also help to set the tone and build that synergy.
Is it? I'm not sure I've read that...
Murphy seems to be well respected in a lot of respects. He's clearly doing more to bring younger players through and he seems to be doing fairly well with requirements and re-signings - which isn't wholly down to him but I get the impression he's played a part.
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The Ownership/BoD excuse is only partly valid, but we have a squad full of current and ex internationals and the BoD don't coach these players, so the buck stops with the Head Coach.
Under Murphy's reign last season we had historically the worst season ever. We are currently half way through this season and on current form we will finish even worse than last season (better defence though!). Those figures are documented in the results tables.
Well respected? apparently Mauger and MoC also were, it goes with the territory. We've been recruiting and re-signing over many seasons the good, the bad and the ugly, so nothing new there. As for progressing the academy to senior roles, that is an important positive, but is that what justifies a DoR role? Thought that was more a Team Manager position?
Under Murphy's reign last season we had historically the worst season ever. We are currently half way through this season and on current form we will finish even worse than last season (better defence though!). Those figures are documented in the results tables.
Well respected? apparently Mauger and MoC also were, it goes with the territory. We've been recruiting and re-signing over many seasons the good, the bad and the ugly, so nothing new there. As for progressing the academy to senior roles, that is an important positive, but is that what justifies a DoR role? Thought that was more a Team Manager position?
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A huge problem for Tigers is that again we didn’t have a great pre-season due to World Cup call ups for at least 10 of our first fifteen and 3-4 new signings didn’t come until the season had started. Then look at the injuries: ok all teams get them but look what’s happened to Quins since they have picked up a similar amount of injuries to us!
The issue I have with Geordan is, and not for the first time this season, when like V Sale he thought the game was over by half time. Look at Bristol the other week: 14-0 down at half time v Saints at Franklin Gardens: Lam when interviewed said there was no need to panic but just keep being brave and cut out the silly errors: final score: Saints 14 Bristol 20.
The coach has to believe in his players no matter what he thinks. A few weeks ago Edinburgh lost when they should have won: Cockerill afterwards stated: Well we will ALL learn from that and aim to win every game in the next month! No surprise that they have.
Keep the faith in the whole squad and let’s beat a full strength Worcester.
The issue I have with Geordan is, and not for the first time this season, when like V Sale he thought the game was over by half time. Look at Bristol the other week: 14-0 down at half time v Saints at Franklin Gardens: Lam when interviewed said there was no need to panic but just keep being brave and cut out the silly errors: final score: Saints 14 Bristol 20.
The coach has to believe in his players no matter what he thinks. A few weeks ago Edinburgh lost when they should have won: Cockerill afterwards stated: Well we will ALL learn from that and aim to win every game in the next month! No surprise that they have.
Keep the faith in the whole squad and let’s beat a full strength Worcester.
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Well a full strength Worcester that is without Fatialofa, Mills, Mama, Nanai... to name a few
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Apparently there is an “attractive preseason fixture” to be added to next year’s season tickets in the Tigers Times...
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Just a quick question,why has Murphy got a 3 year plan according to some while Hooper has turned things around at Bath already?!
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You'd have to ask the respective clubs that rather than chuck hand grenades in here.
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In fairness Hooper probably has had a better coaching team than Murphy has had, also I wouldn't say Bath are exactly setting the world alight, from memory they've won a lot of their games by extremely small margins, I'm also pretty sure both Bath and Northampton are sitting in 4th and 5th with negative points differences
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They have now won 3 in a row though in the GP,I've forgot how that feels!
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You could also look at Steve Diamond who looks like he might finally achieve some success with Sale this season, how many years have Sale finished mid table or lower under his tenure?