It just gets worse for Saracens

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Re: It just gets worse for Saracens

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CJ wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:43 pm EPC bottled it if so
It is so

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51415778
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Re: It just gets worse for Saracens

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Confirmed on the BBC sport web site. Bottled it imho
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Racing reported earlier as asking for points deduction plus some added to their total etc. Apparently there is a precedent?
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Glasgow are going to be soooooo peed off.
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Quite possible the French will appeal.
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Re: It just gets worse for Saracens

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Very sad news for Saracens for a unintentional mistake, sad news for their supporters, sad news for the rugby family also some very sad posters on here😩
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Giving that Lamositele’s permit expired on the day of playing, the likelihood of admin error in this instance is likely and the fine is just in my opinion.
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BigDan50 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:12 am Very sad news for Saracens for a unintentional mistake, sad news for their supporters, sad news for the rugby family also some very sad posters on here😩
Rules are rules designed to ensure a level playing field. Intentional or unintentional, it matters not, the fact is Saracens broke the rules.
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CJ wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:43 pm EPC bottled it if so
Yes.
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Re: It just gets worse for Saracens

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JP14 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:50 am Giving that Lamositele’s permit expired on the day of playing, the likelihood of admin error in this instance is likely and the fine is just in my opinion.
Agreed. As a long term critic of Saracens reference salary cap. I don't think there is any suggestion they have manipulated player registrations etc this last decade.

I don't think a proportionate punishment was expulsion from the competition (given the specifics of the error). It is an administrative error, and the club was probably distracted by bigger stuff that week.

As a general principle (not this specific example) I think points deductions - even a single point deduction - is a better remedy rather than financial penalties. Clubs don't like losing money. They hate losing points.
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If it was an oversight, human error then pay the fine and move on. You'd think it wasn't beyond the wit of man to put a diary note in a month before the visa expires though!
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RichieB wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:52 am If it was an oversight, human error then pay the fine and move on. You'd think it wasn't beyond the wit of man to put a diary note in a month before the visa expires though!
I wonder if they had bigger things to worry about at the time? :smt017 :smt028 :smt005 :smt005
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Re: It just gets worse for Saracens

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A fine means nothing to them with Nigel's pocket money to play with, especially when half of it is suspended. Grenoble were docked 4 points for the same oversight, don't see how this is any different.
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Perhaps the bigger question is why Saracens are still allowed to compete in the competition considering that their Premiership qualification position was achieved whilst cheating :smt009
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Re: It just gets worse for Saracens

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Other clubs committing the same offence had points deducted why not Saracens. They cheated their way to the final, fielded a an ineligible player why a different punishment?
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