Mark Bakewell - gone? - now confirmed

[Traveller]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

Just a thought, but maybe it reasonable to form an opinion on the basis of a person or organisations previous behaviour. No, that' would be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just keep on clapping.

[fortysix]

When our once mighty invincible club are reduced to a squad that might not even win the Championship, and the lack of motivation from a small selection is evident every time the poo hits the fan, then every supporter has the right to question what on heavens earth goes on in in the Boardroom.
They have to be, in my experience, a sure fire challenger for the worst management I have ever come across. In any context.
And I am 73, and been going to Tigers since I was 4 or 5.

[TigerBoy1880]

This is comparable to nationalistic imperialism and is laughable.

Go on?

I was merely using a comparison that Tigers have a self-idealistic sense of greatness like how we all are supposed to think that the Brits are the best because we had the largest empire known to man. Your basically saying that they deserve to always be at the top of the domestic league and that this slump is just a blip and we’ll be back at it in no time, this type of blind idealism will see us fall even further if we’re not careful.

You completely misunderstood what I meant then. I don’t believe Tigers always deserve to be at the top.

[JP14]

Tomato, tomato ....

[Tiglon]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

What kind of severance agreement includes a clause that says the employer cannot publicly announce that the employee has departed (when everyone already knows he has left), or explain what they plan to do next?

It's understandable that they might not be able to discuss the reasons why he has left, but... tell us what the plan is!

Is there a plan?!

[TigerBoy1880]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

What kind of severance agreement includes a clause that says the employer cannot publicly announce that the employee has departed (when everyone already knows he has left), or explain what they plan to do next?

It's understandable that they might not be able to discuss the reasons why he has left, but... tell us what the plan is!

Is there a plan?!

Perhaps as he’s been sacked, both he and the club are still discussing a compensation agreement. Until this is agreed, it won’t be announced.

[Traveller]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

What kind of severance agreement includes a clause that says the employer cannot publicly announce that the employee has departed (when everyone already knows he has left), or explain what they plan to do next?

It's understandable that they might not be able to discuss the reasons why he has left, but... tell us what the plan is!

Is there a plan?!

Exactly. 100%. In fact the communication is important in order to protect the employee. Rumour: He's been fired. Reality: Tragedy in family.

Press Release. "Mike Fawcett, Attack Coach, has left the club with immediate effect due to personal reasons. It goes without saying that we want to put on record our thanks to Mike for his contribution the last five years and wish him and family the best of luck for the future."

Or ......nothing ............even though the backroom office staff know, because they've been told by some of the players, and they've told their partners and their partners have told their friends in the pub and their friends.....

But the later is a much better communication plan.

[Tiglon]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

What kind of severance agreement includes a clause that says the employer cannot publicly announce that the employee has departed (when everyone already knows he has left), or explain what they plan to do next?

It's understandable that they might not be able to discuss the reasons why he has left, but... tell us what the plan is!

Is there a plan?!

Perhaps as he’s been sacked, both he and the club are still discussing a compensation agreement. Until this is agreed, it won’t be announced.

But it's already been announced to players and all other employees that he has left. You don't negotiate compensation after the employee has left. Someone else has already taken over his role, it really is too late to be negotiating compensation.

There are two logical reasons for not announcing the plan:

1) it's a super secret plan that depends on secrecy and will fail if it gets out.
2) there is no plan.

[chewbacca]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

What kind of severance agreement includes a clause that says the employer cannot publicly announce that the employee has departed (when everyone already knows he has left), or explain what they plan to do next?

It's understandable that they might not be able to discuss the reasons why he has left, but... tell us what the plan is!

Is there a plan?!

A plan, good heavens what a novel idea

[strawclearer]

Just a thought, but maybe there's legal or contractual reasons that were negotiated within the severance that prevent the club from releasng the information? No, that's be too sensible wouldn't it. Let's just get the knives out instead......

[voice of the crumbie]

We have now had 7 pages of speculation on what remains an unconfirmed rumour.

How about this for a scenario. Two Tigers employees walking around having a friendly chat. Person with press contacts happens to be passing by not really paying attention.
1st Tigers employee: "Where was that you said?"
2nd Tigers employee: "Bakewell, I'm going this weekend."
Person with press contacts picks up last part of conversation as 2 employees pass out of earshot. Reaches for mobile phone.
"Hi is that Adam Whitty....."

[Traveller]

We have now had 7 pages of speculation on what remains an unconfirmed rumour.

How about this for a scenario. Two Tigers employees walking around having a friendly chat. Person with press contacts happens to be passing by not really paying attention.
1st Tigers employee: "Where was that you said?"
2nd Tigers employee: "Bakewell, I'm going this weekend."
Person with press contacts picks up last part of conversation as 2 employees pass out of earshot. Reaches for mobile phone.
"Hi is that Adam Whitty....."

To be fair that is very plausible.

Far more plausible than conducting a world wide search for a Head Coach, having appointed a Head Coach from NZ only 18 months before to work alongside a Director of Rugby who was fired mid season (who had fired the Attack Coach mid season, having appointed him at the start of the season, who had himself replaced the Coach, who then returned to the club as Director of Rugby (after a World Wide search). But only after the NZ Head Coach had been fired at the end of the season. Who (the HC appointed after a world wide search) after a year, appointed a forwards coach who may or may not have left the club this week. Who was fired after the first game of the season (that's the coach appointed after a world wide search) having not arrived to oversee pre-season, to be replaced by an inexperienced interim coach whose position was confirmed after a playing record of P16 W4 L12 (but only after an exhaustive Crumbie Stand wide search had been undertaken) who then appointed a defence coach (because the club didn't have one) because he was "available, local and new the club", and another coach on a consultancy basis towards the end of the season run in, because the HC knows the other coach, but it was just for the end of the season run in, but it wasn't.

Now only a fantasist could come up with a story like that.

[LE18]

[GB72]

This issue is a bit confusing now. Surely all it takes to confirm the issue is for a reporter to head to Oval Park and see who is running the forwards training, no Bakewell then clearly he has gone. Equally, going to be pretty obvious if he is not there at the weekend. As such, I really cannot understand the silence from the club. On a legal level, I guess there could be a notice period and he is on gardening leave and so technically still and employee but that is really semantics.

The only factor I can think of is that they are trying to temper the news with a bit if good news. Maybe the wheels are in motion to get Borthwick early, an agreement is near and they want to announce good news and bad.

If there is no good news and it should be so easy to confirm the departure just by watching training, I am not sure what the point is with the silence.

[JP14]

Now confirmed by Tigers, no word on Borthwick.