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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Tiglon » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:10 pm

I'm not meaning to be harsh on Hardwick, but I don't think you can argue that he isn't in the same class as the fly half on the other team this weekend. Olowofela simply isn't good enough yet, and may never be. Short stocky players sometimes prove that the small guys can succeed in rugby, but the tall skinny ones like Jordan haven't got a chance. If he doesn't improve his strength, he'll never make it, sorry.

Refell might have made all his tackles on Sunday, and well done to him, but that doesn't prove he's at Premiership standard yet. How many of those tackles was he dominant in? How many was he pushed back 5 yards? The modern game isn't about making tackles, it's about making dominant tackles - that's why no one tackles the ankles any more unless it's the last resort.

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by ABClub » Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:43 pm

Tiglon wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:10 pm
Refell might have made all his tackles on Sunday, and well done to him, but that doesn't prove he's at Premiership standard yet. How many of those tackles was he dominant in? How many was he pushed back 5 yards? The modern game isn't about making tackles, it's about making dominant tackles - that's why no one tackles the ankles any more unless it's the last resort.
If your line speed is good enough then chop tackles are still a great way to stop a player behind the gain line, force the opposition to retreat before clearing the ruck, hence buy time to attack the ball. Mako Vunipola is an outstanding exponent of this.

I've been hugely impressed with Reffell. His reading of the breakdown is excellent as is his communication and organisation in fringe defence. Something Tigers have lacked since Salvi left in my opinion.

He hasn't shown much in attack yet but with the lack of attacking shape none of the squad has in these two fixtures.

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:02 pm

Tiglon wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 5:10 pm
I'm not meaning to be harsh on Hardwick, but I don't think you can argue that he isn't in the same class as the fly half on the other team this weekend. Olowofela simply isn't good enough yet, and may never be. Short stocky players sometimes prove that the small guys can succeed in rugby, but the tall skinny ones like Jordan haven't got a chance. If he doesn't improve his strength, he'll never make it, sorry.

Refell might have made all his tackles on Sunday, and well done to him, but that doesn't prove he's at Premiership standard yet. How many of those tackles was he dominant in? How many was he pushed back 5 yards? The modern game isn't about making tackles, it's about making dominant tackles - that's why no one tackles the ankles any more unless it's the last resort.
Can’t blame you for thinking that on current showings for Tigers. You watch the likes of Heyes, Reffell, White, Hardwick and Olowofela in their national U20s team and they’re all players with massive potential. Here’s the crux of the matter, we’re just improving the younger talent as well as other teams. We never even played Will Evans and now he’s starting for Harlequins.

Will Evans, 19 tackles against Bristol I think for them, missed none. 2 turnovers. Quins fans saying he’s look just as good as Robshaw next to him, could be their signing of the season.

Take Hardwick. When he played for U20 I thought him and Grayson were on par potential wise. Now Grayson is playing very well for Saints albeit in a better team. But without clear coaching and structure, how are our younger players supposed to improve.

Olowofela is about the same build as May or Watson. Given the right conditioning he’ll be fine at this level. We really need to be concerting our England U20 contingent into Tigers star players.

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Robespierre » Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:53 pm

Three Tigers that got away are likely to be in the Gloucester squad, Balmain, Twelvetrees and Slater, and will not need much motivation to hammer another nail into the coffin.
Unless something dramatic happens, I can't see many Tigers' supporters going home with smiling faces at 5 o'clock on Saturday.
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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Big Dai » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:44 pm

Love the arm chair picks.....almost like Stuart Barnes trying to influence England selection. Murph will pick who he likes, with the inevitable wild card, and we'll be left to bemoan another heavy defeat.
It's not who we have on the pitch. The issue is that the team is not greater than the sum of its parts. It's not personnel, it's personality. It's not the DNA of the individual but that of the club.
Hugo gushed over the "Saracens DNA" last week. That used to be us.
Posh Richard is licking his lips in anticipation of several free beers, one per try is the usual tarif. I'm not looking forward to being out of pocket.
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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by G.K » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:39 pm

Yes Dai - but think how much you'll be saving on Remy again this season.
Nowadays referees decide matches, players by how much.

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Big Dai » Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:23 pm

G.K wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:39 pm
Yes Dai - but think how much you'll be saving on Remy again this season.
An unwelcome truth GK.....but I would like the odd pint in this particular wager!
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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by westwinds31 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 6:45 am

Big Dai wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:44 pm
It's not personnel, it's personality. It's not the DNA of the individual but that of the club.
Hugo gushed over the "Saracens DNA" last week. That used to be us.
Yep, we had it but it went a long time ago. How difficult is it to get something similar going again ? Exeter have tried...they have a decent coach and a clear vision but still aren’t winning the big prizes. Sarries have been through the mill, built something special and Saturday proves it’s working across the board. It’s a long road back for Tigers. Maybe Mr B can be the start....

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by wellstiger » Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:43 am

Robespierre wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 7:53 pm
Three Tigers that got away are likely to be in the Gloucester squad, Balmain, Twelvetrees and Slater, and will not need much motivation to hammer another nail into the coffin.
Unless something dramatic happens, I can't see many Tigers' supporters going home with smiling faces at 5 o'clock on Saturday.
+1

I now know the Tigers way.
Let the opposition defence set.
Delay ball to the pack and move metre by metre till you knock on. Kick to the opposition and complain about the standard of refs.
But we are fitter than last season :smt005

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Chobbsy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:15 am

TTRITH wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:38 am
Let's try and be positive and look forward to the next home game...

15. Telusa Veainu
14. Jonah Holmes
13. Andy Forsyth
12. Noel Reid
11. Jordan Olowofela
10. Tom Hardwick
9. Sam Harrison
1. Greg Bateman
2. Jake Kerr
3. Nephi Letigaga
4. Tomas Lavanini
5. Calum Green (c)
6. Sione Kalamafoni
7. Guy Thomson
8. Hanro Liebenberg

16. Charlie Claire
17. Facundo Gigena
18. Joe Heyes
19. Harry Wells
20. Tommy Reffell
21. Ben White
22. George Worth
23. EW Viljeon/Sam Apsland Robinson
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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Chobbsy » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:15 am

TTRITH wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:38 am
Let's try and be positive and look forward to the next home game...

15. Telusa Veainu
14. Jonah Holmes
13. Andy Forsyth
12. Noel Reid
11. Jordan Olowofela
10. Tom Hardwick
9. Sam Harrison
1. Greg Bateman
2. Jake Kerr
3. Nephi Letigaga
4. Tomas Lavanini
5. Calum Green (c)
6. Sione Kalamafoni
7. Guy Thomson
8. Hanro Liebenberg

16. Charlie Claire
17. Facundo Gigena
18. Joe Heyes
19. Harry Wells
20. Tommy Reffell
21. Ben White
22. George Worth
23. EW Viljeon/Sam Apsland Robinson
Tomas Lavanini won't be there he is still banned
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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by RagingBull » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:21 am

https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/s ... ed-3400098

"However, that controversially includes the Tigers' next game against Northampton Saints in the Premiership Rugby Cup on Saturday, meaning he will be back in time to face Gloucester."

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by sapajo » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:23 am

He received a four match ban on 7 oct. He missed the final Argentinian game which meant he needed to miss 3 tigers games.

Since when we have played Saints, Worcester and Sarries.

By my maths that means he is free to play against Glos
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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by Brianf » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:07 pm

Gloucester Team for Saturday
15 Tom Marshall;
14. Matt Banahan,
13. Billy Twelvetrees,
12. Mark Atkinson,
11. Ollie Thorley;
10. Danny Cipriani,
9. Joe Simpson;
1. Josh Hohneck,
2. Franco Marais,
3. Fraser Balmain;
4. Ed Slater (capt),
5. Gerbrandt Grobler;
6. Ruan Ackermann,
7. Jake Polledri,
8. Ben Morgan

Replacements:

16. Corné Fourie,
17. Val Rapava Ruskin,
18. Jamal Ford-Robinson,
19. Freddie Clarke,
20. Lewis Ludlow,
21. Callum Braley,
22. Chris Harris,
23. Jason Woodward

Unavailable for selection:

Ruan Dreyer, James Hanson, Willi Heinz, Ciaran Knight, Franco Mostert, Henry Trinder, Owen Williams

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Re: Tigers vs Gloucester

Post by JP14 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:08 pm

Team up

15 Telusa Veainu

14 Jonah Holmes

13 Andy Forsyth

12 Tom Hardwick

11 Jordan Olowofela

10 Noel Reid

9 Sam Harrison

1 Greg Bateman

2 Tom Youngs (c)

3 Nephi Leatigaga

4 Harry Wells

5 Calum Green

6 Hanro Liebenberg

7 Guy Thompson

8 Sione Kalamafoni

Replacements

16 Tatafu Polota-Nau

17 Facundo Gigena

18 Joe Heyes

19 Tomás Lavanini

20 Ifereimi Boladau

21 Ben White

22 George Worth

23 Adam Thompstone
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