England in the 6N

jgriffin · Post by **jgriffin** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:11 pm

JP14 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:00 pm Surprised by Moon and Umaga, Grayson and Smith ahead of him surely?

I expect Smith to fall by the wayside as he gets 'read' more easily, and Grayson needs to mature a bit. Umaga will get a smell of a cap if EJ wants to keep him, methinks he is a sub-Freddy but that's just me.

Robespierre · Post by **Robespierre** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:12 pm

Tiglon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:50 pm
Robespierre wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:41 pm
JP14 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:23 am Apologies had forgotten about Simmonds.
So has Eddie! Unforgiveable!!
I'm very curious to see who he plays at 8 - Ted Hill? Ludlum? Lawes? Manu?!

I don't think any of the squad have spent much time playing there.

Manu at 8? Good call! Why the hell not!!!

Mark62 · Post by **Mark62** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:16 pm

jgriffin wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:11 pm
JP14 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:00 pm Surprised by Moon and Umaga, Grayson and Smith ahead of him surely?
I expect Smith to fall by the wayside as he gets 'read' more easily, and Grayson needs to mature a bit. Umaga will get a smell of a cap if EJ wants to keep him, methinks he is a sub-Freddy but that's just me.

Totally agree about Smith, he is a bit of a splash and dash player and Grayson time will come. Umaga has been playing well for Wasps and his time in New Zealand won’t have done him any harm

BFG · Post by **BFG** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:28 pm

Umaga has always had natural rugby ability.
Folk rave about Finn Russell's ability, well this young lad could be better.
Just needs experience.
Grayson is also very good.

Chobbsy · Post by **Chobbsy** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:34 pm

OakhamTiger32 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:04 pm Here is the England squad!
Forwards Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps) Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 19 caps) Tom Dunn (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped) Ben Earl (Saracens, uncapped) Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 12 caps) Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 14 caps) Jamie George (Saracens, 45 caps) Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors, 1 cap) Maro Itoje (Saracens, 34 caps) George Kruis (Saracens, 41 caps) Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 62 caps) Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 81 caps) Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 6 caps) Joe Marler (Harlequins, 68 caps) Alex Moon (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 31 caps) Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, uncapped) Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 15 caps) Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 58 caps) Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 18 caps)

Backs Elliot Daly (Saracens, 39 caps) Ollie Devoto (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap) Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Owen Farrell (Saracens, 79 caps) George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 65 caps) George Furbank (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps) Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 47 caps) Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 52 caps) Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby, uncapped) Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 40 caps) Jacob Umaga (Wasps, uncapped) Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 42 caps) Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 95 caps)

Apprentice players Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Josh Hodge (Newcastle Falcons, uncapped)

England have dropped Jack Nowell from their squad for the Six Nations as one of 10 absentees from last autumn's World Cup.

Nowell, the Lions wing who is highly rated by Eddie Jones, played for Exeter in Saturday's Champions Cup victory over La Rochelle but is excluded from the 34 names picked for the 2020 Championship.

Also missing from the 32 players who helped England reach the World Cup final are Jack Singleton, Mark Wilson, Dan Cole, Billy Vunipola, Henry Slade, Piers Francis, Joe Cokanasiga, Ben Spencer and Ruaridh McConnochie, Jack Nowell.

Many of the Japan 2019 casualties are injured.

However, Jones has opted against calling up specialist number eight cover for Billy Vunipola.

What does Sam Simmons have to do to get back into the England squad????

OakhamTiger32 · Post by **OakhamTiger32** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:36 pm

Chobbsy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:34 pm
OakhamTiger32 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:04 pm Here is the England squad!
Forwards Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 21 caps) Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 19 caps) Tom Dunn (Exeter Chiefs, uncapped) Ben Earl (Saracens, uncapped) Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 12 caps) Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 14 caps) Jamie George (Saracens, 45 caps) Ted Hill (Worcester Warriors, 1 cap) Maro Itoje (Saracens, 34 caps) George Kruis (Saracens, 41 caps) Joe Launchbury (Wasps, 62 caps) Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 81 caps) Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints, 6 caps) Joe Marler (Harlequins, 68 caps) Alex Moon (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 31 caps) Will Stuart (Bath Rugby, uncapped) Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 15 caps) Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 58 caps) Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 18 caps)

Backs Elliot Daly (Saracens, 39 caps) Ollie Devoto (Exeter Chiefs, 1 cap) Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Owen Farrell (Saracens, 79 caps) George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 65 caps) George Furbank (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Willi Heinz (Gloucester Rugby, 9 caps) Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby, 47 caps) Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 52 caps) Ollie Thorley (Gloucester Rugby, uncapped) Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 40 caps) Jacob Umaga (Wasps, uncapped) Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby, 42 caps) Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 95 caps)

Apprentice players Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints, uncapped) Josh Hodge (Newcastle Falcons, uncapped)

England have dropped Jack Nowell from their squad for the Six Nations as one of 10 absentees from last autumn's World Cup.

Nowell, the Lions wing who is highly rated by Eddie Jones, played for Exeter in Saturday's Champions Cup victory over La Rochelle but is excluded from the 34 names picked for the 2020 Championship.

Also missing from the 32 players who helped England reach the World Cup final are Jack Singleton, Mark Wilson, Dan Cole, Billy Vunipola, Henry Slade, Piers Francis, Joe Cokanasiga, Ben Spencer and Ruaridh McConnochie, Jack Nowell.

Many of the Japan 2019 casualties are injured.

However, Jones has opted against calling up specialist number eight cover for Billy Vunipola.
What does Sam Simmons have to do to get back into the England squad????

Agreed.. Strange omission imho

Tiglon · Post by **Tiglon** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:38 pm

Chobbsy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:34 pm What does Sam Simmons have to do to get back into the England squad????

I suspect, get a lot bigger. At least while Jones is Head Coach.

westwinds31 · Post by **westwinds31** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:50 pm

Eddie picks the squad. He is meticulous in terms of watching players, looking at body language, how players react to certain situations etc. I'm pretty sure he won't be thinking "oh no, I haven't picked an 8", he'll have a plan for everything, in detail and they'll be reasons why certain players have been picked and some haven't. I trust him.

Tiglon · Post by **Tiglon** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:56 pm

He's said Curry, Earl and Ludlum will be options at 8.

POSTIGER · Post by **POSTIGER** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:28 pm

No Sam Simmons or Alex Dombrandt. Curious decisions.

Mark62 · Post by **Mark62** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:50 pm

Tiglon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:56 pm He's said Curry, Earl and Ludlum will be options at 8.

Ah I missed Earl. He has been playing well for Saracens in Billy’s absence

Robespierre · Post by **Robespierre** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:57 pm

I watch Premiership rugby from time to time on the net and I can't understand why both Simmonds brothers haven't been included!
Surely fly half Jo must be further up the pecking order than Umaga (of whom I admit I've seen little of), and the omission of Sam beggars belief as loads of us thought he was a shoo-in at number 8!
Eddie must've been smoking a bit too much of something or other.

JP14 · Post by **JP14** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:03 pm

If Earl plays at 8 which for me is a sensible selection, is having three jackallers in the backrow overkill, assuming Jones selects Underhill and not a lock at 6.

Chobbsy · Post by **Chobbsy** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:24 pm

Robespierre wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:57 pm I watch Premiership rugby from time to time on the net and I can't understand why both Simmonds brothers haven't been included!
Surely fly half Jo must be further up the pecking order than Umaga (of whom I admit I've seen little of), and the omission of Sam beggars belief as loads of us thought he was a shoo-in at number 8!
Eddie must've been smoking a bit too much of something or other.

Is Umaga in to stop him playing for another nation?

for Sam Simmons should be a shoe in and I would also consider Joe without a doubt

Mark62 · Post by **Mark62** » Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:40 pm

Robespierre wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:57 pm I watch Premiership rugby from time to time on the net and I can't understand why both Simmonds brothers haven't been included!
Surely fly half Jo must be further up the pecking order than Umaga (of whom I admit I've seen little of), and the omission of Sam beggars belief as loads of us thought he was a shoo-in at number 8!
Eddie must've been smoking a bit too much of something or other.

Agree totally about both Simmonds brothers. Sam is in a very rich vein of form and would be a much better bet than the 3 names Jones has mentioned.
I too think that Joe is an excellent prospect, top drawer goal kicker, I think he’s missed 2 all season, and anyone that saw his try against La Rochelle would have been impressed
I wonder if Eddie has a problem with Exeter as he seems to have real problems picking their players unless there is no viable alternative. All in my opinion of course

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