England in the 6N
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LE18. It shows that Tigers have talented players, but poor coaching .
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Why is Manu still with the England squad?
Surely Tigers would be better placed to look after his rehab?
Surely Tigers would be better placed to look after his rehab?
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Would be funny if it wasn't actually trueCitizenSmiff wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:00 pmIt's an English rugby tradition- wear funny blazers, sing Swing Low and make sure Manu gets as few minutes as possible for his club.
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Apparently Manu's latest groin injury is different to the groin injury he had a few weeks ago. Hoped to be 'fit' for the Ireland game.
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They are talking on one hand about Manu playing v Ireland, on the other its rumoured thats it for the season. Either which way, sell him.
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It is an interesting point about selling Manu. I am in the don’t sell him camp!!
However, if we sell him and he stops being selected for England, I would think his injury issues will probably ease off and that club will have a good lot of games out of him. Sell him and he staying playing for England, well this will continue. Also, which club in England would be willing to take the risk...one of the worlds best and most destructive centres when not injured but has a serious injury history...
However, if we sell him and he stops being selected for England, I would think his injury issues will probably ease off and that club will have a good lot of games out of him. Sell him and he staying playing for England, well this will continue. Also, which club in England would be willing to take the risk...one of the worlds best and most destructive centres when not injured but has a serious injury history...
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Manu gets a lot of grief over his injuries but injuries are nothing new to hard running centres.Dr H Flashman MBE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:01 am It is an interesting point about selling Manu. I am in the don’t sell him camp!!
However, if we sell him and he stops being selected for England, I would think his injury issues will probably ease off and that club will have a good lot of games out of him. Sell him and he staying playing for England, well this will continue. Also, which club in England would be willing to take the risk...one of the worlds best and most destructive centres when not injured but has a serious injury history...
My sons favourite player Dan Hipkiss was no stranger to injuries.
Brad Barritt must surely have a special discount with Screwfix.
There is often an over relience on these guys and especially on Manu by England.
In my opinion you look after them and develop your depth behind them and retain plan A to unleash them in the really need to matches.
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I think that is the main issue for both Tigers and England..when Manu is injured there appears to be no plan B. It’s almost as if it’s a shock and what do we do now. Tigers should have adapted to this a long time ago as we know Manu is going to be with England for periods of the year.BFG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:58 amManu gets a lot of grief over his injuries but injuries are nothing new to hard running centres.Dr H Flashman MBE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:01 am It is an interesting point about selling Manu. I am in the don’t sell him camp!!
However, if we sell him and he stops being selected for England, I would think his injury issues will probably ease off and that club will have a good lot of games out of him. Sell him and he staying playing for England, well this will continue. Also, which club in England would be willing to take the risk...one of the worlds best and most destructive centres when not injured but has a serious injury history...
My sons favourite player Dan Hipkiss was no stranger to injuries.
Brad Barritt must surely have a special discount with Screwfix.
There is often an over relience on these guys and especially on Manu by England.
In my opinion you look after them and develop your depth behind them and retain plan A to unleash them in the really need to matches.
There is never any points for 2nd place...
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Yes agree.Dr H Flashman MBE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:16 amI think that is the main issue for both Tigers and England..when Manu is injured there appears to be no plan B. It’s almost as if it’s a shock and what do we do now. Tigers should have adapted to this a long time ago as we know Manu is going to be with England for periods of the year.BFG wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:58 amManu gets a lot of grief over his injuries but injuries are nothing new to hard running centres.Dr H Flashman MBE wrote: ↑Wed Feb 05, 2020 9:01 am It is an interesting point about selling Manu. I am in the don’t sell him camp!!
However, if we sell him and he stops being selected for England, I would think his injury issues will probably ease off and that club will have a good lot of games out of him. Sell him and he staying playing for England, well this will continue. Also, which club in England would be willing to take the risk...one of the worlds best and most destructive centres when not injured but has a serious injury history...
My sons favourite player Dan Hipkiss was no stranger to injuries.
Brad Barritt must surely have a special discount with Screwfix.
There is often an over relience on these guys and especially on Manu by England.
In my opinion you look after them and develop your depth behind them and retain plan A to unleash them in the really need to matches.
Develop a plan B and retain plan A.
I think if you've got a player of Manu's ability then you do retain that plan A.
I remember the 2010 final, after injury that season Hipkiss came on and nearly had his head taken off on a line and somehow managed to stay up and break through to score.
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Why is it that some people on this messageboard so obviously regular rugby fans cannot get their heads round the fact that unlike soccer there is only a very small transfer market in rugby. Our players are contracted for a period of time, at the end of that period they are free to move on or accept a new offer if made. Selling players is not usually an option, selling injured players is not only morally wrong it is likely to be impossible. Manu has had a bad time with injury in the past but last season and so far this his time out with injury is probably normal for a Premiership centre.
I believe that our difficulties over recent seasons stem from when both Manu & Anthony Allen became injured, our back-up at the time, Bai, Hepetema, Catchpole. Roberts, Loamanu and Matt Smith all had injury problems and regrettably Twelvetrees decided to move on. There is a problem signing quality ambitious players who know that they will be benched or left out as soon as the "star" is available but with recent signings and the development of some of our promising youngsters we are in a better place than we were. The chopping and changing of coaches has not been helpful but I feel that there are signs that when we are able to put out a side resembling our first team we actually look as if we are on the way back. I agree there is still a long way to go but we will not get achieve our aims by losing our best players without an equal or better quality replacement.
I believe that our difficulties over recent seasons stem from when both Manu & Anthony Allen became injured, our back-up at the time, Bai, Hepetema, Catchpole. Roberts, Loamanu and Matt Smith all had injury problems and regrettably Twelvetrees decided to move on. There is a problem signing quality ambitious players who know that they will be benched or left out as soon as the "star" is available but with recent signings and the development of some of our promising youngsters we are in a better place than we were. The chopping and changing of coaches has not been helpful but I feel that there are signs that when we are able to put out a side resembling our first team we actually look as if we are on the way back. I agree there is still a long way to go but we will not get achieve our aims by losing our best players without an equal or better quality replacement.
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Much as I am a ctritic of Murphy his policy of giving younger players an opportunity is refreshing after the Cockers and O'Connor years where we lost promising youngsters because they didn't feel they would get a chance of establishing themselves.
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It looks like Young’s (and others) have been dropped.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51397730
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/51397730
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Combination of a kick up the backside and a 6 day turnaround, I suspect.
In my defence, I was left unsupervised….