Typhoon on it’s way

[Mark62]

what is ridiculous is the lack of contingency planning. every match should have been able to be moved forward or back 1 day to ensure it was played. if the scotland v japan game is cancelled then it will be the worst decision world rugby has ever made.

On the face of it that sounds sensible, but the logistics for such a plan, for organisers, players, officials and fans would be nigh on impossible.

[TigerBoy1880]

what is ridiculous is the lack of contingency planning. every match should have been able to be moved forward or back 1 day to ensure it was played. if the scotland v japan game is cancelled then it will be the worst decision world rugby has ever made.

There’s no need for contingency planning! The World Rugby rule is that if any pool game doesn’t get started, it is cancelled and the result is 0-0.

[aslongaswebeatsaints]

If you have an issue with this you have never witnessed a bad one.

You can have contingency plans for Typhoon season but not for a storm that is looking like the biggest since 1958. It’s not just about when it hits, it’s the aftermath. It’s about dealing with fatalities, injuries, extensive damage and then trying to bring things back to normality.

In priority terms, a rugby tournament is utterly inconsequential.

[Traveller]

what is ridiculous is the lack of contingency planning. every match should have been able to be moved forward or back 1 day to ensure it was played. if the scotland v japan game is cancelled then it will be the worst decision world rugby has ever made.

There’s no need for contingency planning! The World Rugby rule is that if any pool game doesn’t get started, it is cancelled and the result is 0-0.

'There's no ned for contingency planning'.

Someone should read Bill Walsh's autobiography.

An imaginary Rugby World Cup Group. Argentina, Namibia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Russia. Results go as follows (points in brackets):

Round 1: SA 25 (5) v NZ 24 (1), N 19 (2) v R 19 (2)
Round 2: A 45 (5) v R 10 (0), SA 55 (5) v N 15 (0)
Round 3 SA 45 (5) v A 26 (1), NZ 60 (5) v N 10 (0)
Round 4 NZ 26 (4) v A 20 (2), SA 55 (5) v R 10 (0)
Round 5 N 8 (0) v A 30 (5)

One game to go (New Zealand v Russia), table reads as below. Argentina have lost to South Africa and the ABs. But Argentina have picked up bonus points and the ABs haven't.

SA P4 W4 D0 L0 PTS 20
A P4 W2 D0 L2 PTS 13
NZ P3 W2 D0 L1 PTS 10
N P4 W0 D1 L3 PTS 02
R P3 W0 D1 L2 PTS 02

There is no way on earth that the IRB would give the ABs 2 points and tell the to go home. If they did, Argentina would go through having lost two pool games, one of them to the AB's. The ABs would go home having won three. The tournament would have no credibility at all.

Interestingly there are contingencies for the QF, SF & Final. A reasonable contingency would have been 'if deemed possible to play the game a day later at the same stadium or at an alternative stadium'. Not to write into the rules that the match cannot be played a day later if possible.

There is no need for contingency planning. What other areas does that extend to. Military Operations? Space Missions? School Sports Days? The NHS?

(Too much time on my hands)

[BFG]

If you have an issue with this you have never witnessed a bad one.

You can have contingency plans for Typhoon season but not for a storm that is looking like the biggest since 1958. It’s not just about when it hits, it’s the aftermath. It’s about dealing with fatalities, injuries, extensive damage and then trying to bring things back to normality.

In priority terms, a rugby tournament is utterly inconsequential.

Very true.
I've seen the Karate Kid 2.
They should probably cancel the tournament if it is very bad, resources would be better directed elsewhere.

[TigerBoy1880]

what is ridiculous is the lack of contingency planning. every match should have been able to be moved forward or back 1 day to ensure it was played. if the scotland v japan game is cancelled then it will be the worst decision world rugby has ever made.

There’s no need for contingency planning! The World Rugby rule is that if any pool game doesn’t get started, it is cancelled and the result is 0-0.

'There's no ned for contingency planning'.

Someone should read Bill Walsh's autobiography.

An imaginary Rugby World Cup Group. Argentina, Namibia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Russia. Results go as follows (points in brackets):

Round 1: SA 25 (5) v NZ 24 (1), N 19 (2) v R 19 (2)
Round 2: A 45 (5) v R 10 (0), SA 55 (5) v N 15 (0)
Round 3 SA 45 (5) v A 26 (1), NZ 60 (5) v N 10 (0)
Round 4 NZ 26 (4) v A 20 (2), SA 55 (5) v R 10 (0)
Round 5 N 8 (0) v A 30 (5)

One game to go (New Zealand v Russia), table reads as below. Argentina have lost to South Africa and the ABs. But Argentina have picked up bonus points and the ABs haven't.

SA P4 W4 D0 L0 PTS 20
A P4 W2 D0 L2 PTS 13
NZ P3 W2 D0 L1 PTS 10
N P4 W0 D1 L3 PTS 02
R P3 W0 D1 L2 PTS 02

There is no way on earth that the IRB would give the ABs 2 points and tell the to go home. If they did, Argentina would go through having lost two pool games, one of them to the AB's. The ABs would go home having won three. The tournament would have no credibility at all.

Interestingly there are contingencies for the QF, SF & Final. A reasonable contingency would have been 'if deemed possible to play the game a day later at the same stadium or at an alternative stadium'. Not to write into the rules that the match cannot be played a day later if possible.

There is no need for contingency planning. What other areas does that extend to. Military Operations? Space Missions? School Sports Days? The NHS?

(Too much time on my hands)

Apologies. I’ll re-phrase. There is no need for a contingency plan in this instance as the World Rugby rules state that any match not started in the pool stage will be cancelled and a result of 0-0 will be given.

I do not mean there is no need for contingency planning whatsoever but to be honest, I thought that was quite obvious.

[Tiglon]

All this "rugby isn't important in these situations" is irrelevant. No one is saying the matches should be held in the middle of the tornado. Just play them somewhere that is not in the middle of a tornado instead. Its hardly rocket science.

[Traveller]

There’s no need for contingency planning! The World Rugby rule is that if any pool game doesn’t get started, it is cancelled and the result is 0-0.

'There's no ned for contingency planning'.

Someone should read Bill Walsh's autobiography.

An imaginary Rugby World Cup Group. Argentina, Namibia, New Zealand, South Africa, and Russia. Results go as follows (points in brackets):

Round 1: SA 25 (5) v NZ 24 (1), N 19 (2) v R 19 (2)
Round 2: A 45 (5) v R 10 (0), SA 55 (5) v N 15 (0)
Round 3 SA 45 (5) v A 26 (1), NZ 60 (5) v N 10 (0)
Round 4 NZ 26 (4) v A 20 (2), SA 55 (5) v R 10 (0)
Round 5 N 8 (0) v A 30 (5)

One game to go (New Zealand v Russia), table reads as below. Argentina have lost to South Africa and the ABs. But Argentina have picked up bonus points and the ABs haven't.

SA P4 W4 D0 L0 PTS 20
A P4 W2 D0 L2 PTS 13
NZ P3 W2 D0 L1 PTS 10
N P4 W0 D1 L3 PTS 02
R P3 W0 D1 L2 PTS 02

There is no way on earth that the IRB would give the ABs 2 points and tell the to go home. If they did, Argentina would go through having lost two pool games, one of them to the AB's. The ABs would go home having won three. The tournament would have no credibility at all.

Interestingly there are contingencies for the QF, SF & Final. A reasonable contingency would have been 'if deemed possible to play the game a day later at the same stadium or at an alternative stadium'. Not to write into the rules that the match cannot be played a day later if possible.

There is no need for contingency planning. What other areas does that extend to. Military Operations? Space Missions? School Sports Days? The NHS?

(Too much time on my hands)

Apologies. I’ll re-phrase. There is no need for a contingency plan in this instance as the World Rugby rules state that any match not started in the pool stage will be cancelled and a result of 0-0 will be given.

I do not mean there is no need for contingency planning whatsoever but to be honest, I thought that was quite obvious.

It was the sentence 'There is no need for contingency planning!'. That made me think you thought 'There is no need for contingency planning.' I even got the benefit of an exclamation mark. I now realise that it was obvious that what you really thought was there is a need for a contingency plan!!! Even if the contingency is 'bad luck you can't play'.

Putting that aside - why contingencies for QF, SF and F matches - which specifically include the ability to play a match a day later, but specifically excluded that option at a Pool Stage. Why not simply include it a contingency with the wording 'an option, where feasible.' The answer might be because of player rest between one game and the next, in which case include that clause. Where possible may be played 24 hours later providing that this will provide both teams with a minimum of 4 days rest and recuperation prior to their next game.'

The reality is that a team that has lost to two teams (as per the table above) may win a place in the QF, ahead of a team it has lost to, simply because one team doesn't get the opportunity to play a fourth game. The IRB would not allow that to happen to the AB's, but its ok for Italy etc.

However all the Rugby Unions signed the competition agreement prior to the tournament starting so they knew what the gig was and so its a bit late to moan now. Which in my opinion means there is no need for contingency planning! Or to put it another way the exact opposite.

[Mark62]

Anyone that is still questioning this needs to look at some of the twitter and Instagram feeds coming in though the Japanese wading knee deep to go training is quite funny. There has also been an earthquake of 5.8 near the airport which has been felt in the middle of Tokyo.

As for contingency planning people need to slow down a bit and think what would be involved to plan alternate days for pool fixtures, in terms of how teams prepare for games, recovery of officials, who sometimes have been running the line 2 or 3 days after reffing, and preparing pitches and stadia at short notice.

It is far easier to make contingency plans for 4 games that are due to be played in 2 stadiums over 2 days, and when considerably more officials are available

[JP14]

Namibia vs Canada has been cancelled.