Is Lavanini going to be a liability?

[RichieB]

Spot on Deadly - there are always more opinions than facts!

[longlivethecrumbie]

So to summarise today’s posts

Young’s is rubbish
Young’s is good
Lavanini is a liability and we shouldn’t have signed him
Lavanini will bring the edge we need
Ford is rubbish
Ford is good
Ford is now better than Farrell
Everyone is rubbish
England are average
England are good

Regardless of the above Tigers are doomed

Think that about covers it

[Dr H Flashman MBE]

Well with TPN getting a red for the same, we are nothing if not consistent.
For what it’s worth Lavanini was clearly too pumped up. Just lost his head a bit with the tackle (and almost Farrells) and deserved a red. Most on this board have said we need an enforcer and some dark arts grit. We have it now. But you can’t have that, in my mind without the chance of a red. Jono, the greatest captain and lock the world has ever seen had it and we have all seen him sin binned or sent off. Gutted for the lad but not going to castigate him for this. If it becomes constant throughout the season then will get worried.

[longlivethecrumbie]

Well with TPN getting a red for the same, we are nothing if not consistent.
For what it’s worth Lavanini was clearly too pumped up. Just lost his head a bit with the tackle (and almost Farrells) and deserved a red. Most on this board have said we need an enforcer and some dark arts grit. We have it now. But you can’t have that, in my mind without the chance of a red. Jono, the greatest captain and lock the world has ever seen had it and we have all seen him sin binned or sent off. Gutted for the lad but not going to castigate him for this. If it becomes constant throughout the season then will get worried.

Also, in fairness, Johno would, almost certainly, seen more red cards had he been playing under the laws of today

[Dr H Flashman MBE]

Well with TPN getting a red for the same, we are nothing if not consistent.
For what it’s worth Lavanini was clearly too pumped up. Just lost his head a bit with the tackle (and almost Farrells) and deserved a red. Most on this board have said we need an enforcer and some dark arts grit. We have it now. But you can’t have that, in my mind without the chance of a red. Jono, the greatest captain and lock the world has ever seen had it and we have all seen him sin binned or sent off. Gutted for the lad but not going to castigate him for this. If it becomes constant throughout the season then will get worried.

Also, in fairness, Johno would, almost certainly, seen more red cards had he been playing under the laws of today

Players now need to be more savvy and clever. That tackle reminded me of the Spencer one at the start of his tigers career. For taller players tackling shorter players it must be quite hard, but safety is paramount. I am 100% sure we will love him by December, especially if he starts throwing his weight around legally and roughing up the opposition.

[Cagey Tiger]

So opinion is divided and we don’t all think the same way.what a terrible world we live in.

It’s more the black and white nature of posts at times, like there is no grey area & just a relentless stream of posts over reacting (IMO) to individual moments or players within a game.

It’s the way things are in general across every sport and forum which is why it winds me up at times. I shouldn’t get annoyed but IMO it stops debate and just becomes “X is rubbish” “X isn’t rubbish” “see that moment - told you” “see that moment instead” followed by opinion presented as fact.

Reductive, reactionary etc etc

It was a game though - boring effective tactics against 14 men but England did what they needed to do and that’s all that matters in a RWC

+1

Last season, for precisely the reasons you outline, I gave up on reading posts where people were passing opinions on player performance. I think that I will be doing the same this season.

Saves a lot of time reading posts and keeps the blood pressure down not seeing some of the contentious views on here.

[Traveller]

I though Lavanini was excellent for the 17 minutes he was on the pitch and a little unlucky with the red card. He's clearly bent at the waist and Farrell is clearly dripping. Similar to the Spencer tackle Vs Wasps last season. For me those kind of tackles are yellow cards but with the high tackle emphasis from World Rugby Nigel was always going to go red to try and ease the pressure on the referees.

Nigel was poor and quite frankly should have sin binned Sinckler for a no arms tackle that was just as dangerous.

I think the Lavanini tackle technique wasn't bad, arms wrapped and well read. He just needs to lift his head up as he goes into contact instead of dipping it down so he can react if the player drops as the refs have no consistency in this area. Samoa got away with two or three that were worse than this a week ago.

We've bemoaned the lack of physicality and aggression in our pack. When you acquire those things there is a chance you will pick up a card or too, Johnno was phenomenal for us but he wasn't exactly whiter than white. If you want the pack fear factor then you need a bit of nasty out there.

Agree with pretty much all of this. It was so depressing watching Tigers go out with the back five of the last four / five years. Knowing that they were going to be steamrollered. It was so obvious what was wrong. It couldn't go on. Lavanini will undoubtedly have us holding our breath. But with some quality coaching and away from the emotion of playing for one's country ........hopefully he'll shine.

[Scuttle]

I missed the match live and am now watching on replay and I believe that Lavanîni’s tackle was clumsy. As has been mentioned above, Tigers’ coaches will be working on tackle technique - particularly with Lavanini and I remain convinced that Lavanini will bring that extra edge to Tigers’ forward play, albeit that the referees will have an eye on him.

Vraiment

[Mark62]

So opinion is divided and we don’t all think the same way.what a terrible world we live in.

It’s more the black and white nature of posts at times, like there is no grey area & just a relentless stream of posts over reacting (IMO) to individual moments or players within a game.

It’s the way things are in general across every sport and forum which is why it winds me up at times. I shouldn’t get annoyed but IMO it stops debate and just becomes “X is rubbish” “X isn’t rubbish” “see that moment - told you” “see that moment instead” followed by opinion presented as fact.

Reductive, reactionary etc etc

It was a game though - boring effective tactics against 14 men but England did what they needed to do and that’s all that matters in a RWC

+1

Last season, for precisely the reasons you outline, I gave up on reading posts where people were passing opinions on player performance. I think that I will be doing the same this season.

Saves a lot of time reading posts and keeps the blood pressure down not seeing some of the contentious views on here.

I think this is the right forum for fans to be able to critique players and coaches in a fair and constructive manner.
What I don’t feel is right is for people to post myopic criticisms of players, ignoring anything good they may do, and completely ignoring the other players on the pitch.

[CitizenSmiff]

One thing I will say for the lad- he looked like a broken man sat on the bench. That's the kind of passion we need. Also helps that he's arguably one of the top ten lock forwards in the world.

[Scuttle]

Lavanini is apparently a very good gymnast who specialises in floor exercises/ tumbling.

He's always been well known for some assaults.

[I'll get my coat...]

No I saw his last gymnastics competition and it was the pummel horse he excelled at

Sorry that was bad I know

[Robespierre]

Lavanini is apparently a very good gymnast who specialises in floor exercises/ tumbling.

He's always been well known for some assaults.

[I'll get my coat...]

No I saw his last gymnastics competition and it was the pummel horse he excelled at

Sorry that was bad I know

Oui, vraiment!

[sam16111986]

One thing I will say for the lad- he looked like a broken man sat on the bench. That's the kind of passion we need. Also helps that he's arguably one of the top ten lock forwards in the world.

He definitely plays with a lot of heart. Need to bring that in a touch and play with a bit more of the top two inches. He looks exactly the type of bruiser we need and if Borthwick is incoming then that's a great mentor for him to have.

[fortysix]

Lavanini will be massive for us.
Felt actually sorry for him watching the incident--without realising he was a Tiger---------- this sort of reaction either which way is going to happen until all coaching sessions make sure IF a player is bending/ falling downwards, then the tackler either pulls out OR goes lower. Which is a physical impossibility in the heat of the moment

The end game will be Coaches-like the Nippons--- INSTRUCTING all players to go for the ankles 100% to alleviate any chance of a red

[Mark62]

Lavanini will be massive for us.
Felt actually sorry for him watching the incident--without realising he was a Tiger---------- this sort of reaction either which way is going to happen until all coaching sessions make sure IF a player is bending/ falling downwards, then the tackler either pulls out OR goes lower. Which is a physical impossibility in the heat of the moment

The end game will be Coaches-like the Nippons--- INSTRUCTING all players to go for the ankles 100% to alleviate any chance of a red

Very true though if you watch Underhill I don’t think I’ve ever seen him make a high hit and he is one of the most destructive tacklers around.
Admittedly he isn’t the tallest but he is still quite a unit