DeadlyDunc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:54 am
So to summarise today’s posts
Young’s is rubbish
Young’s is good
Lavanini is a liability and we shouldn’t have signed him
Lavanini will bring the edge we need
Ford is rubbish
Ford is good
Ford is now better than Farrell
Everyone is rubbish
England are average
England are good
Don’t think the Creevy warcry pregame particularly helped, I believe Tigers will work extensively to tackle his technique, we have a history of making troublesome players more disciplined, admittedly that was mostly under Cockers, but I think we can still make a better all round player.
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JP14 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:15 am
Don’t think the Creevy warcry pregame particularly helped, I believe Tigers will work extensively to tackle his technique, we have a history of making troublesome players more disciplined, admittedly that was mostly under Cockers, but I think we can still make a better all round player.
As they’ve said in the studio JP14 everyone is having to look at their tackle technique and I’m sure it’ll be a work on with him.
Agree totally about Creevy comments they were obviously very up for the fight as it was do or die for them
biffer wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:01 am
So opinion is divided and we don’t all think the same way.what a terrible world we live in.
It’s more the black and white nature of posts at times, like there is no grey area & just a relentless stream of posts over reacting (IMO) to individual moments or players within a game.
It’s the way things are in general across every sport and forum which is why it winds me up at times. I shouldn’t get annoyed but IMO it stops debate and just becomes “X is rubbish” “X isn’t rubbish” “see that moment - told you” “see that moment instead” followed by opinion presented as fact.
Reductive, reactionary etc etc
It was a :censored: game though - boring effective tactics against 14 men but England did what they needed to do and that’s all that matters in a RWC
So he’s calmed down last few seasons and I am sure our coaches will be working on tackle height as soon as he gets to WR; he’ll get a longer rest and lead in to Tigers; and he’s unwitting handed England the gift of a quarter final place.
There are many players that play close to the line / limit where in some cases it is questionable as to what the sanction might be. Lawes was hitting high / late a few seasons ago and supporters were vying to his blood.
I like those players that play to the edge, but they need to recognise that the edge has receded and they need to go lower.
Tigerbeat wrote: ↑Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:15 pm
There are many players that play close to the line / limit where in some cases it is questionable as to what the sanction might be. Lawes was hitting high / late a few seasons ago and supporters were vying to his blood.
I like those players that play to the edge, but they need to recognise that the edge has receded and they need to go lower.
Maybe Mr Borthwick will help to emphasise this point?
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Lavanini & Green will give our pack an edge that's been missing for sometime, I can think of two previous captains of ours who were not Angel's.
I think the pluses will outweigh the negatives...anyway the tackle was on Farrell one of the worst offenders of this type of hit.
I though Lavanini was excellent for the 17 minutes he was on the pitch and a little unlucky with the red card. He's clearly bent at the waist and Farrell is clearly dripping. Similar to the Spencer tackle Vs Wasps last season. For me those kind of tackles are yellow cards but with the high tackle emphasis from World Rugby Nigel was always going to go red to try and ease the pressure on the referees.
Nigel was poor and quite frankly should have sin binned Sinckler for a no arms tackle that was just as dangerous.
I think the Lavanini tackle technique wasn't bad, arms wrapped and well read. He just needs to lift his head up as he goes into contact instead of dipping it down so he can react if the player drops as the refs have no consistency in this area. Samoa got away with two or three that were worse than this a week ago.
We've bemoaned the lack of physicality and aggression in our pack. When you acquire those things there is a chance you will pick up a card or too, Johnno was phenomenal for us but he wasn't exactly whiter than white. If you want the pack fear factor then you need a bit of nasty out there.
I missed the match live and am now watching on replay and I believe that Lavanîni’s tackle was clumsy. As has been mentioned above, Tigers’ coaches will be working on tackle technique - particularly with Lavanini and I remain convinced that Lavanini will bring that extra edge to Tigers’ forward play, albeit that the referees will have an eye on him.
