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Re: Borthwick

Post by Scuttle » Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:40 pm

CrumblingTerrace wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:06 pm
I'd imagine we're an attractive proposition for a coach looking to make their name, given that we've (statistically) NEVER been worse, yet have the infrastructure, supporter base, reputation to do much, much, much more.
This is the key. Fundamentals there on which to build, including a good squad of players but one which can be further added to and developed. I know we are not in a good place but many others have been there in times past (Sarries, Saints, Bristol,Gloucs) and look how they have improved, in some cases very quickly. Time to dig in and enjoy the ride; the rise will be all the sweeter.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by JP14 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:03 pm

It’s also a relatively good squad, Cockers could have done wonders with this squad.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by Redstripeman » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:20 pm

JP14 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:03 pm
It’s also a relatively good squad, Cockers could have done wonders with this squad.
.. Still extolling the virtues of Cockers then!!
Obviously your not convinced this debacle started under him!!!

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Re: Borthwick

Post by drc_007 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:38 pm

The Tigers wikipedia page here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Tigers

At the bottom of the page the relative performances of all the Tigers coaches are compared. No guesses to who is by far the worst performing.

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Re: Borthwick

Post by Robespierre » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:39 pm

Scuttle wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 3:40 pm
CrumblingTerrace wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 1:06 pm
I'd imagine we're an attractive proposition for a coach looking to make their name, given that we've (statistically) NEVER been worse, yet have the infrastructure, supporter base, reputation to do much, much, much more.
This is the key. Fundamentals there on which to build, including a good squad of players but one which can be further added to and developed. I know we are not in a good place but many others have been there in times past (Sarries, Saints, Bristol,Gloucs) and look how they have improved, in some cases very quickly. Time to dig in and enjoy the ride; the rise will be all the sweeter.
Whoever comes in, Borthwick or someone else, has a golden opportunity to take the club back to its rightful place in English and European rugby and make a name for himself to move on to greater things. Let’s hope the rumours are true and he can drag the club out from the abyss in which it is floundering.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by JP14 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:12 pm

Redstripeman wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:20 pm
JP14 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:03 pm
It’s also a relatively good squad, Cockers could have done wonders with this squad.
.. Still extolling the virtues of Cockers then!!
Obviously your not convinced this debacle started under him!!!
I wasn’t suggesting bringing him back, my point was merely a hypothetical opinion, exemplifying how under resourced Cockers was.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by Bunchy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:57 am

Still ironing out details, but borthwick will be head coach under GM as DoR in the very near future - just finalising details of his release from RFU........
Less is more....

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Re: Borthwick

Post by mol2 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am

I wonder if the problem for any incoming coach is whether we spend too high a proportion (of the salary cap) on a handful of players leaving diddly squat for the rest of the squad?

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Re: Borthwick

Post by voice of the crumbie » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:30 am

mol2 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am
I wonder if the problem for any incoming coach is whether we spend too high a proportion (of the salary cap) on a handful of players leaving diddly squat for the rest of the squad?
Perhaps.

Maybe we could come up with a scheme where we help them by setting up and investing in some joint companies with them? Surely this is permitted under the cap as it addresses player welfare post their playing career. :smt003
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Re: Borthwick

Post by Bristol Tiger » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:16 pm

voice of the crumbie wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:30 am
mol2 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am
I wonder if the problem for any incoming coach is whether we spend too high a proportion (of the salary cap) on a handful of players leaving diddly squat for the rest of the squad?
Perhaps.

Maybe we could come up with a scheme where we help them by setting up and investing in some joint companies with them? Surely this is permitted under the cap as it addresses player welfare post their playing career. :smt003
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Re: Borthwick

Post by jgriffin » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:04 pm

JP14 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:12 pm
Redstripeman wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:20 pm
JP14 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:03 pm
It’s also a relatively good squad, Cockers could have done wonders with this squad.
.. Still extolling the virtues of Cockers then!!
Obviously your not convinced this debacle started under him!!!
I wasn’t suggesting bringing him back, my point was merely a hypothetical opinion, exemplifying how under resourced Cockers was.
Stunning to see the win ratios of Cockers and Deano on a huge number of games. 60+% over an extended period, both sacked. Says a lot for the Board :smt035
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Re: Borthwick

Post by drc_007 » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:15 pm

jgriffin wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:04 pm
JP14 wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:12 pm
Redstripeman wrote:
Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:20 pm


.. Still extolling the virtues of Cockers then!!
Obviously your not convinced this debacle started under him!!!
I wasn’t suggesting bringing him back, my point was merely a hypothetical opinion, exemplifying how under resourced Cockers was.
Stunning to see the win ratios of Cockers and Deano on a huge number of games. 60+% over an extended period, both sacked. Says a lot for the Board :smt035
And the number of trophies they won,

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Re: Borthwick

Post by daktari » Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:34 pm

mol2 wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:07 am
I wonder if the problem for any incoming coach is whether we spend too high a proportion (of the salary cap) on a handful of players leaving diddly squat for the rest of the squad?
That's what all teams do.....unless you are Sarries ... :smt002
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Re: Borthwick

Post by POSTIGER » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:02 pm

Bunchy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:57 am
Still ironing out details, but borthwick will be head coach under GM as DoR in the very near future - just finalising details of his release from RFU........
Good news and bad news then.

Good news that Borthwick is coming in. Not such good news that GM remains as DOR, I really can't see what he has done to deserve that position. Apologies if that is unpopular.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by Dr H Flashman MBE » Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Bunchy wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:57 am
Still ironing out details, but borthwick will be head coach under GM as DoR in the very near future - just finalising details of his release from RFU........
Where did you read it hear this piece of tasty information?? It’s very good to read.
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