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Re: Borthwick

Post by voice of the crumbie » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:08 pm

Scuttle wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 10:45 am
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I reckon Borthwick is being viewed as the next England Head Coach, and he is going to use Tigers as a stepping stone potentially for that.

I can see Eddie staying till after the next RWC, Borthwick will have had 4 years experience as a Head Coach on top of his international Experience.
It sounds like a plan doesn't it? Although I could even see Gustard being next England Head Coach and borthwick after him; now that would be planning on the part of the RFU.
Yes it would be, wouldn't it? But can you really see the "old farts" at HQ thinking that far ahead?
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Re: Borthwick

Post by TomWeston » Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 pm

It sounds like a plan doesn't it? Although I could even see Gustard being next England Head Coach and borthwick after him; now that would be planning on the part of the RFU.
Yes it would be, wouldn't it? But can you really see the "old farts" at HQ thinking that far ahead?
I wonder if one PJW formerly of the parish of LE2 might have some bearing on the outcome of this? He did have considerable impact on the development of professional rugby.

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Re: Borthwick

Post by Tigerbeat » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:53 pm

TomWeston wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 pm
It sounds like a plan doesn't it? Although I could even see Gustard being next England Head Coach and borthwick after him; now that would be planning on the part of the RFU.
Yes it would be, wouldn't it? But can you really see the "old farts" at HQ thinking that far ahead?
I wonder if one PJW formerly
Excuse my ignorance and some of the other users, but PJW......use of initials is not clear to all.........
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Re: Borthwick

Post by RagingBull » Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:54 pm

Tigerbeat wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 2:53 pm
TomWeston wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 1:17 pm
It sounds like a plan doesn't it? Although I could even see Gustard being next England Head Coach and borthwick after him; now that would be planning on the part of the RFU.
Yes it would be, wouldn't it? But can you really see the "old farts" at HQ thinking that far ahead?
I wonder if one PJW formerly
Excuse my ignorance and some of the other users, but PJW......use of initials is not clear to all.........
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Re: Borthwick

Post by TomWeston » Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:38 pm

Peter John Wheeler
Currently President of the Rugby Farts Union, no less.

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Re: Borthwick

Post by voice of the crumbie » Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:07 pm

TomWeston wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 4:38 pm
Peter John Wheeler
Currently President of the Rugby Farts Union, no less.
Ah yes.... I'd forgotten he'd gone there. Maybe some hope then. If only he'd stayed here I doubt we'd have got into the mess we've had the last few seasons.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by BFG » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm

Given that England's forwards were torn apart on Saturday and Tigers forwards tore Gloucester apart, do Tigers need Borthwick!
With Lavanini now here, Cole, Genge and Tuafua to come Borthwick would conveniently be stepping into a much better place than has been the case since Cockers asked for more quality forward recruits several years ago.

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Re: Borthwick

Post by fentiger » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:51 pm

BFG wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm
Given that England's forwards were torn apart on Saturday and Tigers forwards tore Gloucester apart, do Tigers need Borthwick!
With Lavanini now here, Cole, Genge and Tuafua to come Borthwick would conveniently be stepping into a much better place than has been the case since Cockers asked for more quality forward recruits several years ago.
No longer the poisoned chalice, then? :smt017

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Re: Borthwick

Post by mol2 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:58 pm

BFG wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm
Given that England's forwards were torn apart on Saturday and Tigers forwards tore Gloucester apart, do Tigers need Borthwick!
With Lavanini now here, Cole, Genge and Tuafua to come Borthwick would conveniently be stepping into a much better place than has been the case since Cockers asked for more quality forward recruits several years ago.
Not sure the selection of players was down to Borthwick. That was ultimately down to Jones who wanted a mobile pack. Whether others including Borthwick agreed I doubt we will ever know.

If Borthwick is coming we can only speculate if he has any input on the signings.

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Re: Borthwick

Post by JP14 » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 pm

I felt we had gone into the South African game with the wrong mindset, regardless of selection, similar to the Three Lions against Croatia in the footie World semifinal, bit too arrogant, bit too English.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by MCC1964 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:02 am

JP14 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:54 pm
….. bit too arrogant, bit too English.
Sorry. That's absolute tosh. I'm sure they went in with a similar mindset to the All Blacks game (albeit a different gameplan which may be closer to the issue). Nobody accused them of being either of those things then. Try suggesting that to Gengy next week if you see him before/after the game.

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Re: Borthwick

Post by JP14 » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:43 am

I won’t need to question his mentality, he didn’t play in that game.
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Re: Borthwick

Post by wellstiger » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:54 am

IF if EJ is considering an extension to his contract, to take him to next W.Cup, wouldn't he want to keep Borthwick and Co.?

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Re: Borthwick

Post by Chobbsy » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:55 am

Is he coming? is it official?
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Re: Borthwick

Post by fentiger » Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:59 am

wellstiger wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:54 am
IF if EJ is considering an extension to his contract, to take him to next W.Cup, wouldn't he want to keep Borthwick and Co.?
It is said that, potentially he and Gustard are being lined up as contenders for when EJ goes. So, presumably both will require experience as successful head coaches!

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