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Re: New coaching structure?

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DoR - Murphy
Head Coach -
Attack/Skills Coach -
Defence Coach -
Forward/Breakdown Coach -
Scrum Coach - Stankovich

Juggle the names into the gaps as appropriate.
I think Murphy has the vision and understand to know what he wants, but perhaps lacks the coaching skills to execute it. As such bringing in better/more experienced coaches to deliver Murphy’s plans makes sense.
I expect Ford to be placed into one of those roles next year. Not certain which role, as I can see how he could fit Head Coach, Attack Coach it Defence Coach. Will probably depend who else is on the mix for the other roles.
Not sure Bakewell has done enough to warrant another season. Blake only ever short term apparently.
If we get this right, given the surprisingly astute additions, we could quite quickly put this season behind us.
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Murphs as DOR
Cheika/Ford and Stanko in respective roles.
Could be World beaters. We could be competing on all fronts next season.
Can we afford them? Could we afford not to?

Is this the Murphs vision???? :smt023 :smt023
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FrontRowUnionMember wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 2:08 pm DoR - Murphy
Head Coach -
Attack/Skills Coach -
Defence Coach -
Forward/Breakdown Coach -
Scrum Coach - Stankovich

Juggle the names into the gaps as appropriate.
I think Murphy has the vision and understand to know what he wants, but perhaps lacks the coaching skills to execute it. As such bringing in better/more experienced coaches to deliver Murphy’s plans makes sense.
I expect Ford to be placed into one of those roles next year. Not certain which role, as I can see how he could fit Head Coach, Attack Coach it Defence Coach. Will probably depend who else is on the mix for the other roles.
Not sure Bakewell has done enough to warrant another season. Blake only ever short term apparently.
If we get this right, given the surprisingly astute additions, we could quite quickly put this season behind us.
If we could bring in the Joseph/Brown combination from Japan with Ford as defence coach that would give us the most experienced coaching set up we've had in some years. Joseph and Brown oversaw the Highlanders winning Super Rugby and becoming a real force with a tough uncompromising style and some good attack play. Doubt they'd be cheap but if we're looking to refund our edge then I can't think of a better fit. Joseph is out of contract post Japan unsure about Brown.
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CitizenSmiff wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 12:41 pm Unpopular opinion around here but I'd be well happy with Cheika; he's got bags of experience playing against the best teams in the world and he's not one to take any messing around, i reckon he could be just the driving force we need to make a fresh start. Plus he has connections all over the SH rugby world to help us attract top quality recruits.
Cheika would be an excellent appointment but I fear we are permanently wedded to Murphy and his also rans. It seems we are destined for many more seasons in the wilderness paying the price for Murphy's I'll judged appointment. We have had 5 years of utter dross and us supporters deserve better!!!
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sapajo wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 4:09 pm
CitizenSmiff wrote: Thu May 09, 2019 12:41 pm Unpopular opinion around here but I'd be well happy with Cheika; he's got bags of experience playing against the best teams in the world and he's not one to take any messing around, i reckon he could be just the driving force we need to make a fresh start. Plus he has connections all over the SH rugby world to help us attract top quality recruits.
Cheika would be an excellent appointment but I fear we are permanently wedded to Murphy and his also rans. It seems we are destined for many more seasons in the wilderness paying the price for Murphy's I'll judged appointment. We have had 5 years of utter dross and us supporters deserve better!!!
Well as Ford and Blake are both out of contract and possibly Bakewell as well we could have most of the backroom staff leave this summer if required.

It sounds like Murphy has a vision to reshape Tigers. No preseason and no say in the signings have meant he's had to deal with what was left. Be interesting to see in what direction we go. Whether Murphy steps up into the DOR job and looks at the big picture and let's an experienced coaching team come in underneath him to build how we play or whether Murphy remains head coach and we just shuffle those around him.
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An absolute massive no to a reshuffle!!! 2 experienced heads needed minimum for me.
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Scott1 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 5:49 pm An absolute massive no to a reshuffle!!! 2 experienced heads needed minimum for me.
Well those two things are polar opposite statements. We'll need to shuffle the coaching pack in order to make space for two new faces.
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Thank God this nightmare season is over.
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Murphy has been in charge for all bar 1 game this season.Have we actually got any better ?
I'm not suggesting turning into Ex or Sarries overnight , what I am saying is that by now we should be seeing something.
I can't buy into Murphy the coach, and the coaching 'restructure' - the cynic in me believes - is club spin for moving Geordan sideways as by now it is clear the man is not upto the (massive) job before him.
He may have this 'vision' , but he sure as hell can't put it into practice.
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The Daily Wail is reporting tonight that Mike Ford has been offered a new contract (at Tigers), but that there’s no certainty about Geordie’s future role....
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Grimlish wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 10:59 pm The Daily Wail is reporting tonight that Mike Ford has been offered a new contract (at Tigers), but that there’s no certainty about Geordie’s future role....
IMHO Mike Ford would be a decent addition ; coincidence that since his arrival the continuous yet ultimately aimless tactic of kicking the ball directly back to the opposition (as first option) has stopped ?

In any capacity he has greater pedigree than our current incumbents.
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As a relatively inexperienced head coach, I think if we are to stick with Murphy, then he needs some experienced heads around him.
So long as Ford is happy with whatever remit he’s given, I think it can only strengthen us, as they seem to get on well, and Ford does have significant experience.
The issue will come if Ford still has aspirations to be the top man, that will cause friction in the coaching team, which will no doubt create problems with the coaching and players.

I think we need a DoR with a clear vision of how the club is to play, and a strong view of recruitment to get us there.

We then need a strong head coach to manage how we put that vision into practice. He needs a team of specialist skills coaches working under him to deliver the skillsets needed across the park.

A Forwards/Breakdown Coach to improve our pack’s ability to deliver the quality and quantity of ball to execute a gameplan. Has Bakewell shown signs of bringing any improvements to the squad since he arrived? Replacement required maybe.

A Backs/Attack Coach to improve our ability to execute a gameplan, making the side varied and ruthless in attack and not easy to set up against. Do we have an attack coach, or has this been part of Murphy’s remit? Perhaps get him to focus on one role, and get someone specific in.

A defence Coach to stem the flow of points, giving us a stronger platform to play from. If you’re leaking points at a rate we have been, then you’re chasing games. I believe Blake is out of contract, so probably need to refill this role.

The scrum has been one of the few successes, so Boris gets to stay in his role. I see the addition to the squad of some increased bulk upfront adding to this area nicely.

Where does Ford sit into this plan? He could be DoR, Head Coach, Attack or Defence based on his previous experiences. Where Murphy sits and who else stays or comes in could dictate where Ford ends up.
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"The issue will come if Ford still has aspirations to be the top man, that will cause friction in the coaching team, which will no doubt create problems with the coaching and players."

I recall a recent interview with Mike Ford where he was very clear he did not see himself in the DoR (top job I think he called it) going forward; he said he wanted to be on the training ground working with the players....words to that effect. Presumably he will be clear with the club about that should he be offered anything, which will help avoid any ambiguity.
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Gonna throw Toby Booth into the mix.

Out of contract with Bath, and plenty of experience.
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Key point
The former England, Ireland and Lions coach had signed until the end of the season but Sportsmail understands the club's end-of-year review reflects positively on his impact, so he is likely to be offered a fresh deal for the medium-term.

Tigers are still keen to recruit a high-profile coach after the World Cup in November, with Australia's Michael Cheika thought to be a target

Murphy's future role remains unclear. The Irishman and Tigers legend, 41, took the reins in chaotic circumstances after former boss Matt O'Connor was sacked after just one game.

Murphy was placed in interim charge last September and then that position was made permanent just before Christmas.

Publicly, the Tigers board have so far been fully supportive of his tenure - but it remains to be seen what part Murphy will take in any coaching shake-up.


So could just be a 1 year deal, since the Dallas team do not join MLR till 2021 and nothing in that suggest Murphy future is really uncertain just if someone might come in above him or he goes to a more DOR role like Deano.
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