New coaching structure?

[ourla]

Could Mike Ford be our Stuart Lancaster?

[Leicestertinytiger]

Retaining Mike Ford in some capacity makes sense, let him take over as being defence coach as Blake hasn’t done anything of merit.

For me Murphy has to be moved out of the coaching team. Retain him as DOR as I think he has a good vision for the team moving forwards but is lacking in technical coaching ability.

Bring in an experienced HC, someone like Rowntree or Cheika, and then we’ll see the performances improve.

[ourla]

For me Murphy has to be moved out of the coaching team. Retain him as DOR as I think he has a good vision for the team moving forwards but is lacking in technical coaching ability.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I don't think I am qualified to say but are you just basing that on results? A lot of people seem to be assuming a DoR would be bought in above Murphy.

My overridding concern is that the "rugby committee" have no more of a clue than we do.

[TTRITH]

Could Mike Ford be our Stuart Lancaster?

Especially if Geordan can flourish as MoCs toxicity fades away.

[Leicestertinytiger]

For me Murphy has to be moved out of the coaching team. Retain him as DOR as I think he has a good vision for the team moving forwards but is lacking in technical coaching ability.

I'm not saying you are wrong, I don't think I am qualified to say but are you just basing that on results? A lot of people seem to be assuming a DoR would be bought in above Murphy.

My overridding concern is that the "rugby committee" have no more of a clue than we do.

Not just the results. Also the fact that as skills coach there was no marked improvement. Then as head coach you can’t say we were playing well and narrowly losing. We were awful with no improvement over the season. Hence why we need a brand new head coach.

Murphy is a great guy with a good vision for the club. Let him be DOR away from the coaching.

[FrontRowUnionMember]

That’s been the key thing.
A lot of the new signings talk about how Murphy has sold the project to them. He clearly has a vision of where he wants to get to, buy perhaps struggles to get that over out on the training pitch.
Does Humphreys and Ackerman work? It appears so.
Potentiality moving Murphy to DoR if the board truly have faith in what he wants to achieve and what he sees as the way forward, then arm him with the calibre of coaches and players to deliver.
Bringing in any senior coach, be that Ford, Cheika etc, you’d have to assume they are aware of their position and remit prior to agreeing to join.

If we bring in a forward orientated coach like Cheika, then give him the head coach role with an assistant forward coach, Deacon maybe, but only if Cheika approves.
Then add either an attack coach who can get is playing with a cutting edge, and let Ford take that Defence role. Alternatively let Ford run the attack and bring in a specialist defence coach.

[Hot_Charlie]

I think this Ford news in interesting. The implication is that we may have lined up someone post RWC or for the back end of next season perhaps?

[Alandrin75]

The club will bring in an administrator akin to Cohen in our glory days who will take the contracts etc away from Geordan freeing him up to coach the team and decide how we will play via a master plan.

Recruitment will ultimately reside with Geordan, with advice being driven via a committee as we look who to retain, what the gaps are and what players we need. Members of that committee will then be tasked to go out and scout players in line with those requirements and also bring others to the table. These will be people like Ged Glynn and Dusty Hare.

Geordan will have the final say on the players and will have the impact on the cap explained to him by the person mentioned initially.

Just for clarity's sake the above is the format that Cockers worked under. He was called a DoR however was only ever a head coach and Tigers didnt have a DoR as such I am not 100% sure even Deano was a DoR when he was here.

The key people will be going back to do what they do well. Ged Glynn scouting overseas players using his contacts with a mission of seeking out the next Mafi, Ayerza, Matera, Goneva, Kayser, Duupy. Dusty Hare will be doing the scouting in the UK and working to build our academy back to greatness again and filling the gaps as we wait for the double title winning season players to become first teamers.

[CitizenSmiff]

So much optimism in here considering a lot of these same characters you're talking about just managed to sneak 11th in a particularly weak field. Whatever you're all drinking with your coffee I want some!

[ay2oh]

What is wrong with being positive ?

[TTRITH]

The club will bring in an administrator akin to Cohen in our glory days who will take the contracts etc away from Geordan freeing him up to coach the team and decide how we will play via a master plan.

Recruitment will ultimately reside with Geordan, with advice being driven via a committee as we look who to retain, what the gaps are and what players we need. Members of that committee will then be tasked to go out and scout players in line with those requirements and also bring others to the table. These will be people like Ged Glynn and Dusty Hare.

Geordan will have the final say on the players and will have the impact on the cap explained to him by the person mentioned initially.

Just for clarity's sake the above is the format that Cockers worked under. He was called a DoR however was only ever a head coach and Tigers didnt have a DoR as such I am not 100% sure even Deano was a DoR when he was here.

The key people will be going back to do what they do well. Ged Glynn scouting overseas players using his contacts with a mission of seeking out the next Mafi, Ayerza, Matera, Goneva, Kayser, Duupy. Dusty Hare will be doing the scouting in the UK and working to build our academy back to greatness again and filling the gaps as we wait for the double title winning season players to become first teamers.

Do you know? Or is this just pure speculation.

Geordan Murphy is not a coach. If his role as DoR is going to just be a glorified Head Coach role, then I'm sorry, but the position isn't for him.

And I disagree with the Deano comment. Deano was a proper DoR, as seen by what he did at Quins and does at Falcons.

Cockers loved to coach. And was pretty good at it. Smurf is not.

[strawclearer]

The club will bring in an administrator akin to Cohen in our glory days who will take the contracts etc away from Geordan freeing him up to coach the team and decide how we will play via a master plan.

Recruitment will ultimately reside with Geordan, with advice being driven via a committee as we look who to retain, what the gaps are and what players we need. Members of that committee will then be tasked to go out and scout players in line with those requirements and also bring others to the table. These will be people like Ged Glynn and Dusty Hare.

Geordan will have the final say on the players and will have the impact on the cap explained to him by the person mentioned initially.

Just for clarity's sake the above is the format that Cockers worked under. He was called a DoR however was only ever a head coach and Tigers didnt have a DoR as such I am not 100% sure even Deano was a DoR when he was here.

The key people will be going back to do what they do well. Ged Glynn scouting overseas players using his contacts with a mission of seeking out the next Mafi, Ayerza, Matera, Goneva, Kayser, Duupy. Dusty Hare will be doing the scouting in the UK and working to build our academy back to greatness again and filling the gaps as we wait for the double title winning season players to become first teamers.

Pretty much spot on.

[kend]

The Daily Wail is reporting tonight that Mike Ford has been offered a new contract (at Tigers), but that there’s no certainty about Geordie’s future role....

I wouldn't be surprised by a contract extension for Ford as it matches the aim to surround Murphy with experience. I would be surprised by equivocation around Murphy's role, particularly as Cohen is quoted this month in TRP:

“Instead, what you must do is learn the lessons and we certainly need some coaching stability. Geordan Murphy will be our man, but we want to get as much experience in the environment around him as we can.”

Presumably Murphy has driven the recruitment and will drive the pre-season. So if you were to recruit a Cheika type character post world cup they will have to align with that. Would a rugby 'big beast' like Cheika take the role in those circumstances? I would have thought total control of the 'on pitch' environment would be their minimum requirement and that wouldn't start be achieved until the following season. In the meantime you pick up the flak for another coaches decisions (as Murphy as done this season).

[Scott1]

There's no way Cheika will come in and potentially work "under" Murphy or Ford! Rowntree and/or Haig will be coming in after the RWC. I think a quartet of Ford,Murphy,Rowntree and Haig could be very good.

[sapajo]

The club will bring in an administrator akin to Cohen in our glory days who will take the contracts etc away from Geordan freeing him up to coach the team and decide how we will play via a master plan.

Recruitment will ultimately reside with Geordan, with advice being driven via a committee as we look who to retain, what the gaps are and what players we need. Members of that committee will then be tasked to go out and scout players in line with those requirements and also bring others to the table. These will be people like Ged Glynn and Dusty Hare.

Geordan will have the final say on the players and will have the impact on the cap explained to him by the person mentioned initially.

Just for clarity's sake the above is the format that Cockers worked under. He was called a DoR however was only ever a head coach and Tigers didnt have a DoR as such I am not 100% sure even Deano was a DoR when he was here.

The key people will be going back to do what they do well. Ged Glynn scouting overseas players using his contacts with a mission of seeking out the next Mafi, Ayerza, Matera, Goneva, Kayser, Duupy. Dusty Hare will be doing the scouting in the UK and working to build our academy back to greatness again and filling the gaps as we wait for the double title winning season players to become first teamers.

So this is what gods gift to the game of rugby have come up with.....wait for it... is to go backwards. Struth its simply unbelievable!