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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by chewbacca » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:08 am

Looking for positives. George Ford really is very good. Oh and it didn't rain.
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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by Smudger67S » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:10 am

Tigers head coach Geordan Murphy told BBC Radio Leicester:

"I feel sick, to be honest. It was incredibly disappointing. The top four is going to be very difficult for us new and so is the top six.

"It makes you question everything you're doing. The guys are working hard but we're making very silly mistakes. It's not because the guys don't care. It's because they care too much."
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Geordan should be more concerned about the other end of the table rather than announcing top 4 as a now unreachable target.
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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by Tiger_in_Birmingham » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:14 am

Leicestertinytiger wrote:
Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:50 pm
We’re now stuck between a rock and a hard place. It’s obvious the coaching team aren’t up to task. But can we afford to change the coaches again, it’s turning into a circus with no end in sight.

Well played Saints. Very well coached team who looked to put width on the ball and attack the wide channels. Made it look easy. Odd that we were playing two opensides and still didn’t manage to compete at the breakdown.
At almost every tackle Saints made there was a second man waiting to latch on & slow down whilst Tigers' second man nearly always went in to assist in the tackle and look to drive the ball carrier back or had to take over the tackle after the first man fell off. Saints had good support runners 2 steps behind the ball carrier looking to clear out quickly whilst Tiger's support runner was attached on the shoulder looking to help with the drive & wasn't in a position to clear out.

Saints got nice quick ball often and spun it wide quickly whilst Tigers were slow, ponderous and still narrow in defence. That was the biggest difference between the teams IMHO.

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by Smudger67S » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:25 am

It was only 18 months ago at Jim Mallinders departure this forum was cherry picking which of the Saints players Tigers should take on. Todays result was manufactured on the boardroom table when Saints globally looked for a world class coach and landed Chris Boyd, while Tigers did not look globally and took a more local approach and appointed poor old Geordan Murphy who was always going to struggle at this level. Unfair on him, unfair on the Tigers supporters.
The board must go, but that will not happen, why would look at their own failings and sack themselves.
BTW I bet the Saints wouldn’t reversely be looking to cherry pick anyone from Tigers bar May.
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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by wellstiger » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:26 am

No getting away from it........ Woeful
Can I see a turn in fortunes.......No For this to happen players need to respond. If every one played with the desire that young J.O did last night maybe. Defensively a schools team could run through the gaps. What's the defensive coach doing.
No effective attacking - no support play - not a clue...

Posters are correct a S.Edwards needs convincing and paid a huge amount ( If interested and available )

We hear big names have signed after the world cup - they are not being disclosed at this time but will be drip fed. Possibly for days like yesterday - with spin as a good news day ...
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these past 5 seasons is like watching the slow death rattle of life passing .

Whoever comes - it could be the entire All Blacks team - they will not make a jot until we get a plan, a defensive structure and some coaches who can handle the experience.

Well done Saints .... :smt013 :smt013 :smt013

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by markharbtiger » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:27 am

I don’t know the root of our problems: with most of our internationals back playing at home against Saints, the outcome should have been a foregone conclusion...
Like many others I was keen to give the current coaching/team setup time. But something has got to change for the better, or we’ll be fighting it out for the wooden spoon, if we’re not already.
Dare I say that if a coaching change does happen, PLEASE not an ex-Tiger! No disrespect to any ex-Tigers, but we desperately need some new blood. Boyd seems to have performed a turnaround at our neighbours after a significant clear out of players and coaches, and just watching Saints play, you get the impression of a team on the way up. Ackermann seems to have similarly improved Glaws.

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by fleabane » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:33 am

Spot on Smudger.

Smurf says the side lacked confidence. Does he not recognise the lack of structure in both attack and defence, the slowness in reforming after a set piece, the lack of any visible improvement from game to game, poor handling, stupid penalties given away as problems?

He was a panic appointment and yet another error by the board. A Tigers legend does not necessarily a good coach make. Keep Stanko, drop the rest.

Sorry Smurf, but that’s how it is.
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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:59 am

fleabane wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:33 am
Spot on Smudger.

Smurf says the side lacked confidence. Does he not recognise the lack of structure in both attack and defence, the slowness in reforming after a set piece, the lack of any visible improvement from game to game, poor handling, stupid penalties given away as problems?

He was a panic appointment and yet another error by the board. A Tigers legend does not necessarily a good coach make. Keep Stanko, drop the rest.

Sorry Smurf, but that’s how it is.
Sad but true. Part of a coaches role is to motivate players and the team as a whole. If we’re lacking confidence it probably stems from them not having faith in the training they’re doing week in week out.

I used to blame the players. But you look at the team and we have good players there who perform for country. If they’re not being given any attacking structure from the coaches then it must be very difficult to play. We’re now a team of individual players less than the sum of our parts. Seems the whole coaching setup isn’t good enough and I’m sure the board can see that for their own eyes. Fully expect more chopping and changing end of the season. I actually can’t think of a team with a worse coaching group in the premiership. Newcastle, Worcester, Bristol coaches could do a better job.

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by westwinds31 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:00 am

Our game plan is stuck in the mid 2000s, where you could truck it up and defences weren’t as water tight. As we saw last night, Saints flooded the breakdown, slowed ball down (because they’d obviously seen previous footage of how clueless we are with slow ball), tried to rip the ball out of our carries and generally made a nuisance of themselves. The difference in energy levels was massive and it’s not all confidence. Our more experienced players are clearly good players, some even international but in the forwards, it’s like we’re light years behind other teams, in terms of skill set (wasn’t Murphy skills coach previously ?). Our squad isn’t good enough. An influx of players may help but not if we don’t look at our style of play, skill set and get up to speed with moving the ball away from contact, instead of running into it. Sure, there’s a time to be direct but we are very predictable at the moment. We’re also in that situation where it’s plainly obvious that players don’t want to be there. Unacceptable. Some of the players reactions to giving penalties away was an eye opener. You can’t feel sorry for yourself and sulk in these situations, you come out fighting, roll your sleeves up and give everything for the cause. Sadly for some it appears unlikely that we’ll get that. Talk is cheap.
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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by markharbtiger » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:19 am

westwinds31 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:00 am
Our game plan is struck in the mid 2000s...
My thoughts exactly.

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by tripeandonions » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:39 am

Congratulations all at Leicester Tigers. Over the past five years, a huge amount of work has been done, in so many ways, to transform the club into a rock solid league bottom three certainty with no possibility of making progress to the knockout stages of cup competitions. Those in charge should be rightly proud of this fine achievement.

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by Yorkietiger » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:40 am

Cooled down a bit this morning after sitting through that last night. I do not doubt the players desire to win, or question their work ethic, but it is woe fully obvious that the coaching is substandard. The squad are not bad players, several are world class and would be the envy of most clubs.

So, back to the coaching, and I say this as an admirer of Geordan Murphy as a player, it is clearly not working, and now his inexperience as a coach is coming home to roost. The decision to give him this job was both unfair on the club but on him personally. It is just the same as I have seen in business, people promoted over their capabilties or too quickly, when the going gets tough they crash and burn.

We are toothless going forward, no penetration, no guile, utterly predictable and we cannot look after the ball. The defence looks flaky too, dog legs everywhere, gaps in the line, people dropping off or missing tackles.

Yes there were a few individuals who did some good things, Guy Thompson, George Ford and the young winger. But a cohesive team we were not.

I feel for Geordan, he has been set up to fail, and this will hugely have damaged his prospects in the game when he moves on, as he surely must given what is happening. Who do I blame? Well the BOD are the ones, they appointed him and they ultimately carry the responsibility.

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by Scott1 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:51 am

Still fuming,not much time add. Murphy completely out of his depth,awful performance bar 3 players and relegation still a huge possibility,I guess we are all Brizzle and Sale fans today!
On another note my daughter absolutely loved it and wants me to get tickets for the Chiefs game! Why???? :smt005

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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by jgriffin » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:52 am

Agree totally Yorkietiger. BoD have been remiss from 2013 onwards.
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Re: Tigers v Saints

Post by tripeandonions » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:52 am

If this was soccer ball, you'd be half expecting the club to bring in someone like Sam Allerdyce or Harry Redknapp to shore things up and try to avoid "the drop". I can see where things could be going next at Welford Road, just to finish off the job....

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