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Sarries being investigated

Post by Scuttle » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:17 pm

Article in Sportsmail about potential breach of salary cap by Sarries. Very interesting. Will try to get link.
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Re: Sarries being investigated

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by WhitecapTiger » Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:29 pm

I'll bring the brush

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by strawclearer » Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:01 am

Nothing to stop people going into business together. Nothing to stop people investing in property together. There's no 'London allowance' related to the salary cap so why shouldn't Sarries provide their London-based players with a bit of help with accommodation which is much, much more expensive than, say, the East Midlands?

At least - that's what they'll say!
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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by ellis9 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:03 am

They know it's wrong. Even if it's not "legally" wrong, they know it's morally wrong.

If it isn't wrong then why has it been kept so quiet?

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by daktari » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:33 am

As I understand it, any arrangement with the club or person(s) associated with club falls with in the wage cap.
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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by Goshengareth » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:47 am

This calls into question the ethics of the players as well - sadly. Unless they claim that Saracens told them that this was being reported to PRL, when it wasn’t. May be each player should sign off on the payments / benefits they receive from the club as part of each clubs submission to PRL - rather like a tax return.

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by wellstiger » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:50 am

Is it good business?
Is it ethically right?
Is it setting a president?
Will this become the future of Rugby?.
Is it easier to be economical with the truth to win Silverware and Titles?
Why has it taken so long for an investigation?
Which club next?

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by Knightonian » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:53 am

Whether legal or ethical is a good question.

If he has brought the game into disrepute maybe Wray shouldn’t be allowed to sit on a board of rugby directors.

A bit like how in Football you have to pass a test before hand.

If we look at how long Blake got banned for betting if this is a breach each and every player should get similar sanction.

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by Knightonian » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:55 am

I also think the punishment should be for the chairman, the club and player

No excuses no tweeking games for the World Cup // a line needs to be drawn in the sand

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by voice of the crumbie » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 am

If there are 4 "arrangements" that are known about it begs the question how many others are there or have their been over the years that we don't know about or have had a blind eye turned to by PRL?
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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by sapajo » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:23 am

strawclearer wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:01 am
Nothing to stop people going into business together. Nothing to stop people investing in property together. There's no 'London allowance' related to the salary cap so why shouldn't Sarries provide their London-based players with a bit of help with accommodation which is much, much more expensive than, say, the East Midlands?

At least - that's what they'll say!
I quote from the Sports Mail report:-
"Under the salary cap regulations, all 'contracts' or 'arrangements' between a club (or any connected party) and a player must be declared to the salary cap manager. The regulations also state that 'any accommodation or holiday cost' is included in the salary of a player".
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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by Crumbie Deeks » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:34 am

Goshengareth wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:47 am
This calls into question the ethics of the players as well - sadly. Unless they claim that Saracens told them that this was being reported to PRL, when it wasn’t. May be each player should sign off on the payments / benefits they receive from the club as part of each clubs submission to PRL - rather like a tax return.
Players (business owners) will be required to file a tax return by law anyway, so why not ask them to declare it to any investigation. Or is that just a bit too transparent :smt109

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by ads » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:45 am

voice of the crumbie wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 am
If there are 4 "arrangements" that are known about it begs the question how many others are there or have their been over the years that we don't know about or have had a blind eye turned to by PRL?
The others probably just gave their business ventures better, slightly less obvious names.....

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Re: Sarries being investigated

Post by strawclearer » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:14 pm

ads wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:45 am
voice of the crumbie wrote:
Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 am
If there are 4 "arrangements" that are known about it begs the question how many others are there or have their been over the years that we don't know about or have had a blind eye turned to by PRL?
The others probably just gave their business ventures better, slightly less obvious names.....
Yes - Vunifiddlecap Inc. was a bit obvious!
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