Coaches

[newport tiger]

Am i alone in thinking that we have far too many coaches in the game these days. There's the Director of rugby, Head coach, Assistant coach, Forwards coach, Scrummaging coach, Lineout coach, Attacking coach, Defence coach(and in our case assistant defence coach presuming Brett Deacon remains) and Kicking coach. Not sure if i missed any but how long before the Receiving the kick off coach or the Grounding the ball over the tryline coach are introduced? Could all this coaching be the reason players are losing the ability to play what is in front of them?

[Noggs]

I think you're alone

[Flash]

Could probably add a few more coaches to your list, strength and conditioning, analyst etc.

Any skill that is specialist you probably need a specialist coach.

[BFG]

You're not alone.
Sadly it's a sign of the times.
The top level is loaded with players who only got through because they were bigger or went to the right school or their Dad coached, they weren't the best players available.
On pitch IQ isn't what it once was at the highest level in my opinion.
Coaches are very important at the top level nowadays.
It's like school and players need teaching things that they simply shouldn't need teaching at this level, and on a subject that they aren't really naturally good at!

[Scott1]

It's getting the balance right,my old friend BFG and I have discussed the merits of a defence coach but there's a reason why Farrell is arguably the world's best defence coach who's beaten the AB with 3 different teams and Sarries built themselves on the Wolfpack defence before evolving an all court game,it's a complete art these days. Lineout,scrum and defence coaches definitely needed if you want to be at the very top.

[Cardiff Tig]

You're not alone.
Sadly it's a sign of the times.
The top level is loaded with players who only got through because they were bigger or went to the right school or their Dad coached, they weren't the best players available.
On pitch IQ isn't what it once was at the highest level in my opinion.
Coaches are very important at the top level nowadays.
It's like school and players need teaching things that they simply shouldn't need teaching at this level, and on a subject that they aren't really naturally good at!

I disagree. It comes with the territory of being a professional sport. You could have a team of the best 23 players in the world, and a professional club would still employ a coach for every skill to extract the extra 0.1% out of them.

The main issue is that the governing bodies haven't kept pace with the professionalism of the clubs.

[BFG]

You're not alone.
Sadly it's a sign of the times.
The top level is loaded with players who only got through because they were bigger or went to the right school or their Dad coached, they weren't the best players available.
On pitch IQ isn't what it once was at the highest level in my opinion.
Coaches are very important at the top level nowadays.
It's like school and players need teaching things that they simply shouldn't need teaching at this level, and on a subject that they aren't really naturally good at!

I disagree. It comes with the territory of being a professional sport. You could have a team of the best 23 players in the world, and a professional club would still employ a coach for every skill to extract the extra 0.1% out of them.

The main issue is that the governing bodies haven't kept pace with the professionalism of the clubs.

You only need look at the game and see most of the best players in it are smaller, and by the best players I mean in rugby intelligence.
George Ford, Danny Cipriani, Harry Thacker etc, these players don't need telling what to do, they already know what to do as they are naturally gifted with rugby intelligence.
You occasionally get a big one who has it and when they do they are world class, Billy Vunipola for example, we don't see enough Billy Vunipola's these days, I've potentially seen them at age grade but they don't get through because they don't go to the right school or someone else was three inches taller at 16 years old etc.
It's when you chuck the lack of rugby intelligence in that it becomes much more complicated in tactical terms and the need for mass coaching rises further.
Ireland are doing pretty well at present and they possess a lovely balance all round in my opinion and mostly towards rugby intelligence.

[fentiger]

I reckon I saw it posted on here somewhere a good few years ago that Dayglo would be a good coach.... especially if you removed his teeth and replaced them with seats
Flippant, I know, but we need a little cheer at this time of year

[Scott1]

Right BFG but Schmidt is probably the most meticulous coach on the planet and Farrell the best defence coach. Would Ireland be where they are without those two? No imo

[Scott1]

The question is who would win a match out of the better players with worse coaches or the slightly worse players with top coaches? Easy and I know where my tenner would be going!

[RagingBull]

Tigers have no DOR
We have
Head of Rugby operations - Ged Glynn ( )
Who does zero coaching.

Head Coach - Murphy
Forwards Coach - Bakewell
Defence Coach - Blake
Scrum Coach - Stanko
Assistant Backs - Allen
Assistant Forwards - Brett

The Ford's pay for Alred out of their own pocket, in regards to Kicking coach.

So tigers have 6 coaches same as Sarries.
2 of which also coach the development and academy (Deacon and Allen).

[BFG]

Right BFG but Schmidt is probably the most meticulous coach on the planet and Farrell the best defence coach. Would Ireland be where they are without those two? No imo

The current players were spotted and coached as youngsters by others, their path began long before Schmidt arrived.
Schmidt and others like Farrell are big contributors to the the potential that is now the finished article, which is the team we see play now, a lot of good work by others was put in before them though to get to this stage.
Our very own MOC gave Furlong his club debut!

[Scott1]

Then nearly destroyed Leinster in the process!

[BFG]

Then nearly destroyed Leinster in the process!

In your opinion, personally I believe that he was in charge during a period of transition, much like here, the point is though that without the opportunities before and then that MOC gave to Furlong then would Furlong be where he is now at Schmidt's disposal!
If it was England then I suspect someone three inches taller and a stone heavier would've been preferred at 16 and Furlong would now possibly be working on a scaffolding site somewhere instead of playing international rugby!
There are too many meatheads in the English game in my opinion, I mean come on is anyone really going to tell me that C. Clark is a top level player with rugby intelligence!

[newport tiger]

Tigers have no DOR
We have
Head of Rugby operations - Ged Glynn ( )
Who does zero coaching.

Head Coach - Murphy
Forwards Coach - Bakewell
Defence Coach - Blake
Scrum Coach - Stanko
Assistant Backs - Allen
Assistant Forwards - Brett

The Ford's pay for Alred out of their own pocket, in regards to Kicking coach.

So tigers have 6 coaches same as Sarries.
2 of which also coach the development and academy (Deacon and Allen).

When I started this post I wasn't being Tigers specific more modern day rugby in general. However your reply has highlighted our lack of a lineout coach. As this is possibly our achilles over the last couple of seasons then maybe there is room for another coach.