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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Scott1 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:44 pm

Yes you could be right but if I remember correctly,AP experience was ever mentioned in Cohen's initial interview and added later. Happy to be proved wrong on that one or it becomes very convenient!

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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Scott1 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:45 pm

Because there's no such thing as a world class coach with AP experience! So why scour the world for one? Doesn't add up to me!

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Post by RagingBull » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:49 pm

Scott1 wrote:
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Because there's no such thing as a world class coach with AP experience! So why scour the world for one? Doesn't add up to me!
It didn't because they wanted MOC from the beginning.
MOC was Tom's choice for coming in, and he had the BOD support and some players.

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Post by Jimmy Skitz » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:50 pm

part of me fears the club will never truly be right until there is a new BOD and that won't happen as they people on the BOD see ity as a status symbol and won't let go of it freely

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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Scott1 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:52 pm

So are we saying it was smoke and mirrors by Cohen? We paid money out for a recruitment team we didn't need?

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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by RagingBull » Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:53 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:52 pm
So are we saying it was smoke and mirrors by Cohen? We paid money out for a recruitment team we didn't need?
You mean the ex agent and lawyer Cohen would never use smoke and mirrors?
Yes we did pay them, they came back with all coaches on their books, and we said nah we want MOC anyway basically.

Wouldn't be surprised if for some reason the board thought they might've recommended MOC from the off.

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Post by Big Dai » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:07 pm

All this squealing about them at the top, sack Murphy, don't sack Murphy, sack the board etc I feel missed the point. People cry for stability but we've not had stability on the pitch leave alone off it.
We went wrong as soon as Ford came back. We'd got to the stage where we had Burns and Williams. None of whom were international class but good enough to be ever present for the club during international breaks. Substitute that for Toomua and Ford which may have worked had Toomua not got injured and then done a u turn on his international aspirations.
Our recruitment, by design, luck or circumstance has not yielded a squad with sufficient depth to cope with the inevitable farce of losing players to international duty and maintaining stability in key positions.
Other sides are not as good individually but have retained a togetherness that gets them through difficult fixtures.
What I'm trying to say here, perhaps badly, is we need depth in the squad so that we don't lose so many in the internationals and maintain some kind of continuity.
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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Jimmy Skitz » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:14 pm

people still moaning about Burns and Williams neither of whom were ever fit for a sustained period of time, the latter of which left for a huge wedge in Gloucester and Burns hasn't even nailed down the starting spot for Bath since his move there either

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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Scott1 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:16 pm

Yes but I honestly don't think we'd be any worse off if they were both still here and Mauger was in charge!

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Post by WiggoTiger » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:17 pm

Sadly it's the stability of players and coaches we haven't had thats costing us. The days we won stuff we had a strong squad skill wise and mentally.
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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Big Dai » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:21 pm

WiggoTiger wrote:
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Sadly it's the stability of players and coaches we haven't had thats costing us. The days we won stuff we had a strong squad skill wise and mentally.
Thanks wiggo.....just what I was trying to get at. A strong, stable squad with the depth to cope.
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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by jgriffin » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:26 pm

Big Dai wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:07 pm
All this squealing about them at the top, sack Murphy, don't sack Murphy, sack the board etc I feel missed the point. People cry for stability but we've not had stability on the pitch leave alone off it.
We went wrong as soon as Ford came back. We'd got to the stage where we had Burns and Williams. None of whom were international class but good enough to be ever present for the club during international breaks. Substitute that for Toomua and Ford which may have worked had Toomua not got injured and then done a u turn on his international aspirations.
Our recruitment, by design, luck or circumstance has not yielded a squad with sufficient depth to cope with the inevitable farce of losing players to international duty and maintaining stability in key positions.
Other sides are not as good individually but have retained a togetherness that gets them through difficult fixtures.
What I'm trying to say here, perhaps badly, is we need depth in the squad so that we don't lose so many in the internationals and maintain some kind of continuity.
I get shot at for wishing we had kept the Burns/OW squad. Tough competitors with flair and not off to internationals. Note that Genge said the squad was gutted when they shoved Betham, Lachie, Slater etc off. Methinks the Youngs/Ford axis are in charge here, not GM.
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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by WiggoTiger » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:28 pm

Sadly that's what is costing us week in week out
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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by Jimmy Skitz » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:30 pm

jgriffin wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:26 pm
Big Dai wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:07 pm
All this squealing about them at the top, sack Murphy, don't sack Murphy, sack the board etc I feel missed the point. People cry for stability but we've not had stability on the pitch leave alone off it.
We went wrong as soon as Ford came back. We'd got to the stage where we had Burns and Williams. None of whom were international class but good enough to be ever present for the club during international breaks. Substitute that for Toomua and Ford which may have worked had Toomua not got injured and then done a u turn on his international aspirations.
Our recruitment, by design, luck or circumstance has not yielded a squad with sufficient depth to cope with the inevitable farce of losing players to international duty and maintaining stability in key positions.
Other sides are not as good individually but have retained a togetherness that gets them through difficult fixtures.
What I'm trying to say here, perhaps badly, is we need depth in the squad so that we don't lose so many in the internationals and maintain some kind of continuity.
I get shot at for wishing we had kept the Burns/OW squad. Tough competitors with flair and not off to internationals. Note that Genge said the squad was gutted when they shoved Betham, Lachie, Slater etc off. Methinks the Youngs/Ford axis are in charge here, not GM.
does anyone know how long is left on Ed Slaters contract with Gloucs?

Oh and a strong DOR/Head coach wouldn't let Youngs/Ford call the shots, unless of course you mean the board were letting them

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Re: Dear Murphs

Post by jgriffin » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:33 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:16 pm
Yes but I honestly don't think we'd be any worse off if they were both still here and Mauger was in charge!
TBH I think AM was a symptom of the problem. Some players were fed up with the Cockers 'grind them down ' and 'no stars' approach and off we went for SH style champagne rugby. It should have worked but AM too close to the players. Result was vinegar, not champagne.
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