A summary of Tigers recruitment in the last 5 years.

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This summary hits the proverbial name on the head. Well done. Like any illness, once the symptoms have been identified it's a question of trying to isolate the causes. I would love to sit down with Toms, Cohen and Glynn and ask them why it is that they feel it is essential to have such absolute stability at board and managerial level, but constant flux on the coaching and playing staff. I'd love to ask them what performance measures they have in place for themselves, and how they benchmark their own performance. For example is the recruitment of 60+ players in 5 years (and the release of 38), tangible evidence of the person tasked with recruiting players at the top of his game. How do these figures compare with other high performing clubs. Is the recruitment of four DOR is as many years tangible evidence of a Chair and CEO on top of their game in terms of their personal recruitment judgement? The slide will continue unabated until there is clear out and Board and managerial level.
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RagingBull wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:15 pm
JP14 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:04 pm Worsley is Wasps through and through at heart, might take a lot of money to persuade him to come here.
The Wasps thing won't be an issue.

But he is head coach of a Top 14 team with a lot of money and doing alright why would he want to get involved in this mess anyway.
Isn't he only acting (much in the same way GM is)?

If you remove the looming shadow of Glynn and the blasted "rugby committee", I can't think of any top coach that wouldn't want to come here. (McCall, Baxter, Young and Richards exempted). To bring Tigers back to the top table, much the way Young has done at Wasps, should wet the appitite of any Director of Rugby/Head Coach and the fact that they aren't queuing up outside Oval Park and Welford Road is a daming indictment of how the club is being run.
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Smudge wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:21 am Thanks for this post RB. It is very interesting. There are people on your lists I didn't know had gone.

You are right though, we used to look after players and in turn they gave their all for the shirt.
RC's treatment of Moody started it. Everyone knew he was a player who would give his life for Tigers and played his heart out
for the club on a weekly basis. This was well known in rugby circles and when he was discarded like a piece of rubbish, the lesson went out Give your all for Leicester and they will discard you like rubbish.

There were some idiots on here talking about "good business" etc but the damage that did to our club was incalculable and is,
as far as I am concerned one of the major reasons for the player malaise and the decline of a once great club.

Lewis was the England captain at the time. You don't treat a great servant like that. As he is the best friend of MJ, is it any wonder he doesn't want to get involved with the club again?
You mean the bloke who virtually never played sgain due to existing injuries? Either Tiger's is a business or not, and some on here want Tiger's to be a better business, then demand retention on salary of players who should retire? According to Moody's book, MOC gave him the push, RC did not speak in the meeting. That stinks of a BoD decision with a gag.
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Smudge wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:21 am Thanks for this post RB. It is very interesting. There are people on your lists I didn't know had gone.

You are right though, we used to look after players and in turn they gave their all for the shirt.
RC's treatment of Moody started it. Everyone knew he was a player who would give his life for Tigers and played his heart out
for the club on a weekly basis. This was well known in rugby circles and when he was discarded like a piece of rubbish, the lesson went out Give your all for Leicester and they will discard you like rubbish.

There were some idiots on here talking about "good business" etc but the damage that did to our club was incalculable and is,
as far as I am concerned one of the major reasons for the player malaise and the decline of a once great club.

Lewis was the England captain at the time. You don't treat a great servant like that. As he is the best friend of MJ, is it any wonder he doesn't want to get involved with the club again?
That's tosh!
The bottom line is that there were other very good players who were performing more regularly for Leicester than Moody.
Other clubs were also beginning to carry more cash clout.
The end result, we couldn't pay what others would.
It was the early days of a much more competitive Premiership.
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JP14 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:04 pm Worsley is Wasps through and through at heart, might take a lot of money to persuade him to come here.
He might be needed at Wasps if they continue their present form!
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jgriffin wrote:-
[You mean the bloke who virtually never played sgain due to existing injuries? Either Tiger's is a business or not, and some on here want Tiger's to be a better business, then demand retention on salary of players who should retire? According to Moody's book, MOC gave him the push, RC did not speak in the meeting. That stinks of a BoD decision with a gag./quote]


You prove my point! Tigers are much more than a business. Our greatest players deserve to be treated with respect and loyalty. Lewis was the England captain when he was discarded and fit enough to play at international level. They had no knowledge of how much longer he could play.
He was very hurt by the way he was treated by Tigers at the end and the club should hang it's collective head in shame.
With that example, is it any wonder players now have such little love and respect for the shirt? That decision was intangiable but the effect it has had on the club has been imense.
You claim to have had a conduit to the playing staff for a while yet you didn't pick up on this? Those of us that were in the know, certainly did.
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Smudge wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:11 am jgriffin wrote:-
[You mean the bloke who virtually never played sgain due to existing injuries? Either Tiger's is a business or not, and some on here want Tiger's to be a better business, then demand retention on salary of players who should retire? According to Moody's book, MOC gave him the push, RC did not speak in the meeting. That stinks of a BoD decision with a gag./quote]


You prove my point! Tigers are much more than a business. Our greatest players deserve to be treated with respect and loyalty. Lewis was the England captain when he was discarded and fit enough to play at international level. They had no knowledge of how much longer he could play.
He was very hurt by the way he was treated by Tigers at the end and the club should hang it's collective head in shame.
With that example, is it any wonder players now have such little love and respect for the shirt? That decision was intangiable but the effect it has had on the club has been imense.
You claim to have had a conduit to the playing staff for a while yet you didn't pick up on this? Those of us that were in the know, certainly did.
Picked as England captain by his best mate despite very questionable fitness. You think this was a good decision yet you think you know where the problems are?
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In a word YES.
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Smudge wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:51 pmIn a word YES.
Thank you.
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