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Re: England squad

Post by Robespierre » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:47 pm

Leicestertinytiger wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:32 pm
Robespierre wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 1:50 pm
Ok. So let’s have Daley at fullback and AN Other as back-up and send Brown back to Quins.i
Surely Goode or Woodward are better options than Brown. Also fail to understand how none of Kvesic, Ewers or Armand didn’t make the cut. Kvesic especially deserves a shot at openside for England.
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Re: England squad

Post by mol2 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:59 pm

Barring a miracle EJ may be departing before the 6N as he seems to be losing the plot.

Any coincidence that Marler "retired" and now Cole has been dropped?
You do wonder who picks the squad. Again too many Quins players.

Doesn't he understand that first and foremost props have to be able to scrummage? Good job we are not playing France or Ireland.

I can understand the return of Morgan who was dumped after the world cup when he patently wasn't fit enough to be there following his broken leg.
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Re: England squad

Post by BengalTiger » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:03 pm

I am totaly underwhelmed by the squad, too many average players filling up space, I fear more dross to follow last years shambles, is Eddie Jones the Jose Mourinho of Rugby, a two season wonder?

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Re: England squad

Post by Robespierre » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:10 pm

mol2 wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:59 pm
Barring a miracle EJ may be departing before the 6N as he seems to be losing the plot.
Exactly!
For me, the sooner he goes the better!
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Re: England squad

Post by Spicer » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:11 pm

How on earth do all of Kvesic, Ewers or Armand not make it? They demolish most back rows week in week out.
As for Goode, I didn't expect him to be in as he hasn't been included for years.

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Re: England squad

Post by POSTIGER » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:12 pm

I see EJ isn't too bothered about form then?

No Goode, despite being the best English-qualified full back by a mile. No Cips despite the fact he can cover any of FH, centre or FB and is in great form. No Armand (what does that guy have to do?), no Ewers and no Kvesic - Kvesic in particular has been outstanding this season.


Te'o and Tuilagi are surely not fit enough to make a real impression in the test arena and Chris Ashton hasn't played in the premiership yet because he's an idiot. I'm not a huge fan of Cipriani but to exclude him (supposedly) on discplinary grounds and still include Ashton is downright double-standards.


A big autumn for EJ having lost 6 in 7.
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Re: England squad

Post by Robespierre » Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:24 pm

England may beat Japan, but NZ and SA - no chance! Eddie’s head is on the block and the axe is falling !
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Re: England squad

Post by CitizenSmiff » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:30 pm

Not to put Ben Morgan down when he's having a pretty good season, but ignoring the ready-made back row unit of Kvesic/Ewers/Armand seems like suicide when they're so dominant week in week out. And leaving Cole out exposes a very inexperienced front row that SA and the All Blacks will chew up and spit out given half a chance.

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Re: England squad

Post by jgriffin » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:32 pm

CitizenSmiff wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:30 pm
Not to put Ben Morgan down when he's having a pretty good season, but ignoring the ready-made back row unit of Kvesic/Ewers/Armand seems like suicide when they're so dominant week in week out. And leaving Cole out exposes a very inexperienced front row that SA and the All Blacks will chew up and spit out given half a chance.
With you on that entirely, at least Cole on the bench. Sinckler will be spat out or red-carded for losing it. And no Goode or Cipriani? Go for form!!!!!
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Re: England squad

Post by Scuttle » Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:46 pm

Spicer wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:11 pm
How on earth do all of Kvesic, Ewers or Armand not make it? They demolish most back rows week in week out.
As for Goode, I didn't expect him to be in as he hasn't been included for years.
I have to agree and am also bemused about Ashton inclusion. Yes he had form last season but if EJ is picking on current form as he says with Cips then Ashton doesn't have any because he hasn't played. And I also fail to see why he sticks with Teo who to me is a one dimensional player who doesn't actually crash over the gain line that ofteno anyway.
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Re: England squad

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:05 pm

It would appear something beyond the obvious with Cole. (All Black props may be able to do more than Dan, but they have to be able to scrumage, that said Owen Franks is hardly an all court player)
All our players in the squad could start though.

Agent Jones is carrying out a great job....for the other sides.
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Re: England squad

Post by Scuttle » Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:40 pm

Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:05 pm
It would appear something beyond the obvious with Cole. (All Black props may be able to do more than Dan, but they have to be able to scrumage, that said Owen Franks is hardly an all court player)
All our players in the squad could start though.

Agent Jones is carrying out a great job....for the other sides.
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Re: England squad

Post by Cardiff Tig » Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:27 pm

Cole's discipline has let him down the last couple of seasons, to the point where he was becoming a liability. You can't afford to give that many penalties away at international level.

I'm talking about the penalties in the loose before anyone suggests the scrum can be a lottery!

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Re: England squad

Post by Hot_Charlie » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:16 pm

POSTIGER wrote:
Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:12 pm

. I'm not a huge fan of Cipriani but to exclude him (supposedly) on discplinary grounds and still include Ashton is downright double-standards.
I don’t think saying Cipriani is excluded on “disciplinary grounds” is accurate. If anything he appears to be left out as he just doesn’t have the right character to be in a squad environment around the team. We’ve seen it countless times throughout his career.

The fact he habitually offends (assaults policewoman, drink drives, kicks buses etc) is bye-the-bye, but probably good indicators that the man’s a fool.

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Re: England squad

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:32 pm

Cole has never been best ball in hand, but is a rock at scrum time. I do feel that he hasn’t been in the best of form lately and can offer more around the park, especially at the breakdown.

Sinckler has all the attributes to be our best tighthead but whether he can prove himself as a starting prop is another issue. I guess we won’t know without him getting a chance.

Paul Hill is another one for me who could have a big future for England. But lack of gametime at Saints seems to have stalled his progress. Plus we have Heyes who no doubt will be a star tighthead long term.

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