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Very revealing in what was said and not said. We can't move with no specialist coaches for a start. I have posted before that BK has had an impact, possibly not that positive, on the BoD.
Thank you ellis9.
Thank you ellis9.
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Indeed thanks for the updates that say plenty on all fronts!
There appears to be quite a big comfort zone for all concerned apart from the coaching at present.
Resources are placed badly in my opinion, there are literally more talkers than walkers which compared to other clubs is very odd.
Other clubs often possess one voice, a Chairman or owner and everyone below is there to contribute directly to the playing/coaching side.
Leicester is packed with voices in the non- playing side that would afford two or three more specialist coaches in my opinion.
There appears to be quite a big comfort zone for all concerned apart from the coaching at present.
Resources are placed badly in my opinion, there are literally more talkers than walkers which compared to other clubs is very odd.
Other clubs often possess one voice, a Chairman or owner and everyone below is there to contribute directly to the playing/coaching side.
Leicester is packed with voices in the non- playing side that would afford two or three more specialist coaches in my opinion.
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Thanks for the updates - excellent!
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Yes, many thanks for relaying the discussion.
Cohen mentions a couple of times that MOC failed to implement recommendations made by the Board. He does not go into any detail. Sorry if I have missed this in the various threads, but would someone please tell me specifically what these were/are?
Cohen mentions a couple of times that MOC failed to implement recommendations made by the Board. He does not go into any detail. Sorry if I have missed this in the various threads, but would someone please tell me specifically what these were/are?
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Would have liked another member of the board to have been present really.
Ideally Tom but he doesn't seem to like these events anymore, I wonder why..........
Ideally Tom but he doesn't seem to like these events anymore, I wonder why..........
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I don't believe the details have been released anywhere for public consumption.MurphysLaw wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 8:28 am Yes, many thanks for relaying the discussion.
Cohen mentions a couple of times that MOC failed to implement recommendations made by the Board. He does not go into any detail. Sorry if I have missed this in the various threads, but would someone please tell me specifically what these were/are?
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An excellent question on the catering (which then led into the kit contracts) tonight.
Who in their right mind signs a 10 year commercial contract without (a) a break clause and (b) some form of SLA and performance related KPIs which can then be linked to termination clauses?
Not the smartest move really.
Who in their right mind signs a 10 year commercial contract without (a) a break clause and (b) some form of SLA and performance related KPIs which can then be linked to termination clauses?
Not the smartest move really.
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What is clear is that MOC was a compromise. He managed to maintain the illusion last season that we had a plan and a direction when clearly to me that was not the case. It seems to me MOC tried to replicate what he did last time he was here but without the lynchpin Cockers and in a different time, situation. It was never going to work. Getting in Bateman helped but just prolonged the agony. I don't know what went on this summer but it seems no ones finger was on the pulse and the patient was not being well looked after.
I think off the field the club is well run in a lot of respects, despite my criticisms of the "match day experience". But playing wise we seem to be stumbling. I don't disagree with Cohen that Cockers/Mauger looked like it should be good on paper. But I think what's happened since hasn't been handled well. They will no doubt be praying Murphy makes it easy for them and makes a good fist of it. And it's certainly possible that he will but one fears for it doesn't.
I think off the field the club is well run in a lot of respects, despite my criticisms of the "match day experience". But playing wise we seem to be stumbling. I don't disagree with Cohen that Cockers/Mauger looked like it should be good on paper. But I think what's happened since hasn't been handled well. They will no doubt be praying Murphy makes it easy for them and makes a good fist of it. And it's certainly possible that he will but one fears for it doesn't.
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Good and accurate running commentary by Ellis, I don't know how he does it. Interesting that judging by the posts some put an interpretation on statements made that was not taken by those present.
I agree with Simon Cohen that on paper Mauger & Cocker should have been a match made in heaven, personally I think the mistake was made in giving Aaron the title of Head Coach and involving him in recruitment giving him cause to think he was in control, with Cocker as Director of Rugby and Forwards coach there was always going to be a situation where both wanted the last word and saw situations differently.
The main feeling that came from the meeting was overwhelming support for Geordan Murphy, I know the players are behind him and if we the supporters give him and the team our vocal support on Saturday Falcons could be in for a shock.
I agree with Simon Cohen that on paper Mauger & Cocker should have been a match made in heaven, personally I think the mistake was made in giving Aaron the title of Head Coach and involving him in recruitment giving him cause to think he was in control, with Cocker as Director of Rugby and Forwards coach there was always going to be a situation where both wanted the last word and saw situations differently.
The main feeling that came from the meeting was overwhelming support for Geordan Murphy, I know the players are behind him and if we the supporters give him and the team our vocal support on Saturday Falcons could be in for a shock.
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I know this has been covered and I've said it before but I think it should have been quite clear to Mauger that as DOR, Cockerill was the man in charge and had the final say. It seemed he didn't like that which is why I wasn't sorry to see him go. His job was to get the best out of the backs and get them firing on all cylinders. He didn't do that so to me, he failed in his time as the clubs coach.johnthegriff wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:17 am Good and accurate running commentary by Ellis, I don't know how he does it. Interesting that judging by the posts some put an interpretation on statements made that was not taken by those present.
I agree with Simon Cohen that on paper Mauger & Cocker should have been a match made in heaven, personally I think the mistake was made in giving Aaron the title of Head Coach and involving him in recruitment giving him cause to think he was in control, with Cocker as Director of Rugby and Forwards coach there was always going to be a situation where both wanted the last word and saw situations differently.
The main feeling that came from the meeting was overwhelming support for Geordan Murphy, I know the players are behind him and if we the supporters give him and the team our vocal support on Saturday Falcons could be in for a shock.
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One more Thank You to ellis9 for the updates
With regards to extra coaching staff, as Geordan is now head honcho for the foreseeable future, I would assume that he would have major input and probable veto on any new people. As he was not expecting to be in this position any time soon, I doubt that he has considered what he might be best at in his new role, what the current coaches are capable of under his leadership, what he might want to delegate and who might be available externally and suitable (not many at the mo). The Board (and club) got its fingers badly burnt with the appointment of AM, which was with RC's and the Board's approval. Foisting someone new on Geordan without consulting him would not be a good idea IMHO.
I agree that more coaching staff are required, but I feel that Geordan needs to be given a month or so to get his head around his new job etc so that he can work out what he feels we need and who, if anyone, can fit the bill.
With regards to extra coaching staff, as Geordan is now head honcho for the foreseeable future, I would assume that he would have major input and probable veto on any new people. As he was not expecting to be in this position any time soon, I doubt that he has considered what he might be best at in his new role, what the current coaches are capable of under his leadership, what he might want to delegate and who might be available externally and suitable (not many at the mo). The Board (and club) got its fingers badly burnt with the appointment of AM, which was with RC's and the Board's approval. Foisting someone new on Geordan without consulting him would not be a good idea IMHO.
I agree that more coaching staff are required, but I feel that Geordan needs to be given a month or so to get his head around his new job etc so that he can work out what he feels we need and who, if anyone, can fit the bill.
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Agree ellis9!
There is no need for interference on the board regarding playing matters, it's an expensive distraction.
A DOR and a team of specialist coaches and let them get on with their jobs properly is sufficient.
There is no need for interference on the board regarding playing matters, it's an expensive distraction.
A DOR and a team of specialist coaches and let them get on with their jobs properly is sufficient.
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Nice work last night Ellis9.ellis9 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:24 am
I know this has been covered and I've said it before but I think it should have been quite clear to Mauger that as DOR, Cockerill was the man in charge and had the final say. It seemed he didn't like that which is why I wasn't sorry to see him go. His job was to get the best out of the backs and get them firing on all cylinders. He didn't do that so to me, he failed in his time as the clubs coach.
I reckon the confusion arose when the title ‘Head Coach’ was used for AM’s role. This seems to have been as bait to lure AM, or it was a demand he made to take the job. Either way, neither RC or the Board should have allowed that amount of confusion altho no doubt RC was unable to prevent it.
I agree Geordie needs senior support - on his terms. If he looks like being in the role permanently then that’s easier to achieve. Let’s hope it doesn’t take till the season’s back end unlike Bakewell’s appointment.
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Long time reader, first time poster, compelled to write after recent events...
Simon Cohen's justification for sacking O'Connor has me confused. In ellis9's excellent minute-by-minute, Cohen is quoted as saying that recommendations were made but, "They weren't implemented over the summer and that crystallised in the first game, last week."
I'm a humble fan so I don't get any opportunity to see how the coaching of the side changes in the off-season, but surely the CEO does. He runs the club. He doesn't have to wait until game week 1 to see whether recommendations have been taken on board, he can ask O'Connor to explain himself, speak to the other coaches or players or even watch training.
Simon Cohen's justification for sacking O'Connor has me confused. In ellis9's excellent minute-by-minute, Cohen is quoted as saying that recommendations were made but, "They weren't implemented over the summer and that crystallised in the first game, last week."
I'm a humble fan so I don't get any opportunity to see how the coaching of the side changes in the off-season, but surely the CEO does. He runs the club. He doesn't have to wait until game week 1 to see whether recommendations have been taken on board, he can ask O'Connor to explain himself, speak to the other coaches or players or even watch training.
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[quote=MurphysLaw post_id=696333 time=1536132490 user_id=3365]
Yes, many thanks for relaying the discussion.
Cohen mentions a couple of times that MOC failed to implement recommendations made by the Board. He does not go into any detail. Sorry if I have missed this in the various threads, but would someone please tell me specifically what these were/are?
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I don't believe the details have been released anywhere for public consumption.
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It is perhaps a shame that no-one asked this last night.
Presumably, Geordie has been made aware.
[quote=MurphysLaw post_id=696333 time=1536132490 user_id=3365]
Yes, many thanks for relaying the discussion.
Cohen mentions a couple of times that MOC failed to implement recommendations made by the Board. He does not go into any detail. Sorry if I have missed this in the various threads, but would someone please tell me specifically what these were/are?
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I don't believe the details have been released anywhere for public consumption.
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It is perhaps a shame that no-one asked this last night.
Presumably, Geordie has been made aware.