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Invasion?

Post by bc » Fri Aug 17, 2018 11:07 pm

I know Tigers cast their coaching classes wide but they are not normally in the heartland of other premiership clubs. I have been shocked to seeWASPS running a weeks coaching class at Uppingham School which, I would consider to be in Tigers heartland. I hope we are not losing our grip on again on academy production!
We have seemed to have sorted out the academy after winning the U18 title last year - lets hope we are not losing our focus and letting an aggressive competitor sneak in!
Lewis Moody wrote an article last season in addressing the decline of Tigers and he stated that Tigers past success had been built on an academy production line sprinkled with a dusting of stardust. We need ensure what has been started with the U18 success again continues - Exeter and, latterly Saracens prove the rule!

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Re: Invasion?

Post by JP14 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:05 am

Eh this is nothing new, Hinckley RFC is currently Wasps affiliated.
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Re: Invasion?

Post by voice of the crumbie » Sat Aug 18, 2018 10:42 am

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong or things have changed, but I believe that Premiership clubs were allocated areas / regions from which they could draw academy products to the exclusion of other clubs. So whilst this doesn't prevent any club holding a coaching clinic on another clubs "patch" it does prevent them from recruiting into their academy from it. I'm not sure if there is any sanction for recruiting out of area. I would be grateful for clarification from those who are better informed.
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Re: Invasion?

Post by Rugbyflanker » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:01 am

Great point VOTC!

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Re: Invasion?

Post by RagingBull » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:16 am

The boundaries was changed a couple years ago.
Think we lost some to Wasps, but got a lot from the Yorkshire academy area.

I think we benefited quite a bit from the new boundaries.
Worcester lost more to Wasps than us.

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Re: Invasion?

Post by RagingBull » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:19 am

Could be wrong but Uppingham recently felt more like it's closer to Saints anyway.

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Re: Invasion?

Post by Rugbyflanker » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:22 am

We just sound like a shambles from top to bottom,massive club with a small club mentality! What's happened to us?!

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Re: Invasion?

Post by RagingBull » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:25 am

Rugbyflanker wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:22 am
We just sound like a shambles from top to bottom,massive club with a small club mentality! What's happened to us?!
How so?
We just had a unbeaten U18's cup, who started their preseason with a good win v Bristol.
The Academy is in it's best shape for a long time.

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Re: Invasion?

Post by Rugbyflanker » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:27 am

Ok from top to top 😂 I did say a long time ago that MoC would end it tears and I've got that horrible feeling back. Let's hope in wrong but I just believe that Mike Ford is gonna snake his way in and he would be even worse than Matt! Why didn't we just scour the world like Cohen said? Think small you get small though so if/when it does go belly up its our own fault!

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Re: Invasion?

Post by Cardiff Tig » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:31 am

Rugbyflanker wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:27 am
Ok from top to top 😂 I did say a long time ago that MoC would end it tears and I've got that horrible feeling back. Let's hope in wrong but I just believe that Mike Ford is gonna snake his way in and he would be even worse than Matt! Why didn't we just scour the world like Cohen said? Think small you get small though so if/when it does go belly up its our own fault!
But what has this got to do with coaching classes/academy recruitment in Uppingham :smt017 :smt017 :smt017

As RB stated, our Academy is actually in very good shape again after a few seasons where it was neglected.

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Re: Invasion?

Post by Rugbyflanker » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:34 am

Nothing! Getting excited I'm afraid. The academy was superb but like I said there's England U20 WC winners who can't get in their GP clubs so although our unbeaten was an incredible achievement it doesn't mean much at the top level which is where it looks like the problems are.

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Re: Invasion?

Post by LE18 » Sat Aug 18, 2018 3:05 pm

I think you have to face facts, you don't hold coaching clinics for the benefit of the area, without being on the look out for signing talent!

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Re: Invasion?

Post by BFG » Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:29 pm

As a school I'd suggest that Uppingham like any other school wants to look as attractive as possible to students and provide as much opportunity as possible and that might include expanding the net.
It could be that someone feels that their pupils are not gaining the opportunities that they deserve and therefore are reaching out to others.
Just guessing really and who knows!

Regarding academy, personally I find the whole thing a purge on nature, and as regards to winning the thing, it isn't that difficult if you are lucky enough to have a year group with more big and fast youngsters than the rest, which is laughable as they move into seniors as being biggest and fastest is no longer a luxury that they will have and other attributes become more important, attributes that they didn't need to learn being the biggest and fastest kids!
Makes no sense whatsoever!

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Re: Invasion?

Post by Big Dai » Sun Aug 19, 2018 9:14 am

JP14 wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 8:05 am
Eh this is nothing new, Hinckley RFC is currently Wasps affiliated.
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Re: Invasion?

Post by LE18 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 10:00 pm

BFG wrote:
Sat Aug 18, 2018 11:29 pm
As a school I'd suggest that Uppingham like any other school wants to look as attractive as possible to students and provide as much opportunity as possible and that might include expanding the net.
It could be that someone feels that their pupils are not gaining the opportunities that they deserve and therefore are reaching out to others.
Just guessing really and who knows!

Regarding academy, personally I find the whole thing a purge on nature, and as regards to winning the thing, it isn't that difficult if you are lucky enough to have a year group with more big and fast youngsters than the rest, which is laughable as they move into seniors as being biggest and fastest is no longer a luxury that they will have and other attributes become more important, attributes that they didn't need to learn being the biggest and fastest kids!
Makes no sense whatsoever!
Uppingham is a full boarding school, its Summer, so their pupils wont be there, so a coaching clinic at this time of the year can't be for the school's benefit! :smt017

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