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Tigers in turmoil article

Post by mariochanvelli » Thu Aug 16, 2018 12:06 am

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... s-job.html

"The core group of senior players who were heavily involved in the removal of Cockerill back in January, 2017 are not thought to be agitating for change at this stage. But some have concerns over what is seen as a hard-line, dictatorial approach."

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by RagingBull » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:07 am

Tough one
On one hand i've heard similar things about O'Connor rifting against those above.
On the other hand who is the really the dictatorial hand? I'm not a O'Connor fan but IMO the head coach should have the final say on senior coaches.
and if the powers that be think Denis Betts (Widnes was never considered a defensive powerhouse in league) is better than Brad Davis then it really is worrying times.
That being said I also wouldn't be surprised if this has snowballed by a couple of people exaggerating things things to the press.

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Smudge » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:45 am

It's obviously a slack news day.
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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Rugbyflanker » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:11 am

No smoke without fire!

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Rugbyflanker » Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:35 am

I never wanted MoC but he's in the hotseat now so should be backed by everyone! Who is this "senior" figure? Board member? Player? Ex legend? None of this would've happened anyway if we have done what Cohen said we were going to! I can smell Mike Ford in the air and it scares the bejesus out of me!
But it could just be that Matt had family problems back in Oz and needed an extra fortnight off and it's been blown out of proportion,it will all come out soon I suppose.

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by jgriffin » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:19 am

This smell has been around for a little while. Some players (and their conduits on the BoD) have too much clout, instrumental in bringing RC down, AM in with Hamilton :smt009 and then some welcoming MOC. As posters on here will know from 2012, I have never been a fan of MOC, but this is all too much for the club. If he has to go, then fine, do it now, promote GM or MB and bring in a DECENT coach or two. I can see a bum start for the season brewing. Heads may need to roll.
IMO we need a tough DOR, someone in the Deano mould, and a top backs coach.
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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by TTRITH » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:37 am

jgriffin wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:19 am
This smell has been around for a little while. Some players (and their conduits on the BoD) have too much clout, instrumental in bringing RC down, AM in with Hamilton :smt009 and then some welcoming MOC. As posters on here will know from 2012, I have never been a fan of MOC, but this is all too much for the club. If he has to go, then fine, do it now, promote GM or MB and bring in a DECENT coach or two. I can see a bum start for the season brewing. Heads may need to roll.
IMO we need a tough DOR, someone in the Deano mould, and a top backs coach.
Board need to act quickly. Either come out and rubbish the article and stop this mess before it gets any bigger, or sack him, and replace swiftly. Rowntree is unattached, so maybe he gets the nod as head coach in the interim? Otherwise I genuinely don't know who else is out there who could be seen as a decent appointment by Tigers? Mallinder? Lancaster? Venter?

Equally, has this article been "leaked" to prepare the fans for a poor start to the season? "How can a team play well with this cloud hanging over them."
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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by RagingBull » Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:55 am

If O'Connor goes the buck shouldn't stop at him though.

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by chris111 » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am

Rugbyflanker wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:11 am
No smoke without fire!
It’s the Daily Mail. Their entire modus operandi is based on sensationalist smoke signalling (when they’re not dogwhistling, that is). I’ll wait until I hear a serious journalist raising this as an issue before giving it any credence.

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by TTRITH » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:19 am

RagingBull wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 9:55 am
If O'Connor goes the buck shouldn't stop at him though.
Wholeheartedly agree.
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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Grimlish » Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:56 am

chris111 wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 10:03 am
Rugbyflanker wrote:
Thu Aug 16, 2018 4:11 am
No smoke without fire!
It’s the Daily Mail. Their entire modus operandi is based on sensationalist smoke signalling (when they’re not dogwhistling, that is). I’ll wait until I hear a serious journalist raising this as an issue before giving it any credence.
Exactly so Chris111 - what’s worse is that some here will play to their agenda without having a clue while others will jump on the chance to jump on ‘evidence’ to support their predetermined positions. In fact I’m astonished that one or two of the saner heads here seem to have done so already.

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Rugbyflanker » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:21 am

So why don't the DM "make" stories up about Sarries or Chiefs then? Mmmmm

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Grimlish » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:31 am

Their turn will come Rugbyflanker.

And yes from personal experience I can say they do make stuff up and twist stuff to mean the opposite of what most reasonable people would expect. They’re not alone in that but are leading exponents. If you want to call a spade a spade....

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by Rugbyflanker » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:32 am

Touche ;)

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Re: Tigers in turmoil article

Post by strawclearer » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:36 am

Foy has more credibility than the abject rag he writes for so it's perhaps dangerous to see this simply as 'silly season page-filling'. Cohen is in the usual dilemma of 'damned if he does (deny it); damned if he doesn't'. My guess is that he'll say nothing unless and until credible others support Foy's article.
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