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Re: Tour to SA

Post by JP14 » Wed May 09, 2018 3:45 pm

That's huge loss for the Springboks in my opinion, I don't know about Bismarck du Plessis but Strauss is playing well for a resurgent Bulls side. Also I believe that Bongi Mbonambi is also injured as well
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Re: Tour to SA

Post by JP14 » Wed May 09, 2018 3:58 pm

I think this will be the Springboks matchday squad:
1 Beast (Sharks)
2 BDP (Montpellier)
3 W.Louw (Stormers)
4 de Jager (Bulls)
5 Mostert (Lions)
6 Kolisi (c) (Stormers)
7 du Toit (Stormers)
8 Vermulean (Toulon)
9 de Klerk (Sale)
10 Pollard (Bulls)
11 Tambe (Lions)
12 vans Rensburg (Lions)
13 Kriel (Bulls)
14 Gelant (Bulls)
15 Bosch (Sharks)
16 Strauss (Bulls)
17 Kitshoff (Stormers)
18 Trevor Nyakane (Bulls)
19 Kwagga Smith (Lions)
20 Either du Preez twin (Sharks)
21 Hourgaard (Worcester)
22 Willemse (Stormers)
23 de Allende (Stormers)

This is a bit harsh on the Cheetahs who's players such as Ox Nché, Mahoje, Cassiem, Venter and Clayton Blommetjies all merit call ups.
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Re: Tour to SA

Post by Rugbyflanker » Wed May 09, 2018 4:42 pm

No Etzebeth or Jaco Kriel? Nice 23 though,looking at the performances of the SA SR sides and the relaxing of the player picking England are bang in trouble imo!

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by JP14 » Wed May 09, 2018 6:10 pm

Rugbyflanker wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 4:42 pm
No Etzebeth or Jaco Kriel? Nice 23 though,looking at the performances of the SA SR sides and the relaxing of the player picking England are bang in trouble imo!
Etzebeth and Kriel are injured at the moment unfortunately
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Re: Tour to SA

Post by Rugbyflanker » Wed May 09, 2018 6:22 pm

Yeah my bad,is it Kriels shoulder again?

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Wed May 09, 2018 7:05 pm

Surely the form players such as Willis, Robson, Cipriani, Trinder and Woodward all have to be picked in the touring squad.

We need some players picked on ability, not reputation. Hopefully we won’t be disappointed tomorrow.

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by JP14 » Thu May 10, 2018 7:02 am

Leicestertinytiger wrote:
Wed May 09, 2018 7:05 pm
Surely the form players such as Willis, Robson, Cipriani, Trinder and Woodward all have to be picked in the touring squad.

We need some players picked on ability, not reputation. Hopefully we won’t be disappointed tomorrow.
I’m pretty certain that Willis, Trinder and Woodward are definitely in for a shout, however I keep having to reiterate that Cipriani’s international ship has sailed and we should be looking to develop the likes of Marcus Smith and Joe Simmonds instead
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Re: Tour to SA

Post by drc_007 » Thu May 10, 2018 8:53 am

Wasps fly-half Danny Cipriani has been included in a 34-man England squad for the tour of South Africa in June.

Owen Farrell has been named captain with hooker Dylan Hartley unavailable.

There are seven uncapped players in Eddie Jones' squad including Sale back Cameron Redpath, Wasps flanker Jack Willis and New Zealand-born flanker Brad Shields.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44066387

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by drc_007 » Thu May 10, 2018 8:55 am

http://www.englandrugby.com/news/englan ... rica-tour/
England squad for South Africa Tour
Backs

Full backs

Mike Brown (Harlequins)

Elliot Daly (Wasps)

Nathan Earle (Saracens) *

Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)

Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks)

Inside backs

Danny Cipriani (Wasps)

Owen Farrell (Saracens)

George Ford (Leicester Tigers)

Alex Lozowski (Saracens)

Cameron Redpath (Sale Sharks) *

Dan Robson (Wasps) *

Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)

Ben Spencer (Saracens) *

Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors)

Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Forwards

Back five

Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)

Ben Earl (Saracens) *

Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs) *

Nick Isiekwe (Saracens)

Maro Itoje (Saracens)

Joe Launchbury (Wasps)

Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)

Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps) *

Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs)

Billy Vunipola (Saracens)

Jack Willis (Wasps) *

Mark Wilson (Newcastle)

Front row

Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)

Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)

Jamie George (Saracens)

Joe Marler (Harlequins)

Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)

Mako Vunipola (Saracens)

Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)

Not considered for selection:

Backs

Danny Care (Harlequins)

Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby)

Harry Mallinder (Northampton Saints)

Joe Marchant (Harlequins)

Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs)

Semesa Rokoduguni (Bath Rugby)

Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers)

Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby)

Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens)

Forwards

Jack Clifford (Harlequins)

Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)

Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby)

Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby)

Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints)

James Haskell (Wasps)

Nathan Hughes (Wasps)

George Kruis (Saracens)

Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)

Will Spencer (Worcester Warriors)

Sam Underhill (Bath)

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Thu May 10, 2018 9:19 am

Feel Trinder and Woodward should have been picked, especially over the likes of Earle and Redpath who have done nothing to warrant selection.

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by RagingBull » Thu May 10, 2018 9:25 am

so glad cole gets a full preseason for the first time in how long?

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by Stephen18 » Thu May 10, 2018 9:31 am

Leicestertinytiger wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:19 am
Feel Trinder and Woodward should have been picked, especially over the likes of Earle and Redpath who have done nothing to warrant selection.
Woodwards in the training squad for Brighton, so I assume that he’ll be adding some players before they go, especially in the backs and as mentioned 2 of those are Earles and Redpath(who i don’t think ive ever seen play) also I think O’Conner is hard done by to not even be in the training squad he’s been the form 7 these last few months.

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by Coops » Thu May 10, 2018 9:41 am

RagingBull wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:25 am
so glad cole gets a full preseason for the first time in how long?
Wonder if this signals the (start of the) end of Cole's England career?

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by WildGoose » Thu May 10, 2018 9:48 am

I think he'll definitely be back for the autumn. Williams isn't the finished article by any means, and Sinckler seems to only be about 15 minutes away from a ban whenever he plays (plus I'm not convinced by his scrummaging, and it's pretty clear that him and Marler didn't provide the platform you'd expect, and Marler definitely isn't international quality)
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Thu May 10, 2018 9:41 am
RagingBull wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 9:25 am
so glad cole gets a full preseason for the first time in how long?
Wonder if this signals the (start of the) end of Cole's England career?

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Re: Tour to SA

Post by jgriffin » Thu May 10, 2018 9:51 am

Not massively impressed TBH, Woodward, BOC, Trinder, Armand plus possibly others...but EJ seems fixated on certain players and blind to others IMO.
I can see some of the choices, but ....... cup-tying Shields must be his wish, so the NZ moan is just that.
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