Cohen, Glynn, to be sacked?

[sam16111986]

It was pretty clear MOC wanted Cordero and Mafi judging by the press release, now Mafi might have been harder to get BUT Cordero was signed up by Exeter on a trial contract 100% if Tigers had given him a longer deal he would have come but we didn't.

Yeah because what we really needed was another expensive back. Sure he's a great player but we needed reinforcements up front and those have arrived. The Steve Mafi deal is an odd one because that looked like it was a done deal.

Last season. We were less than the sum of our parts and this season we are looking the same. A good coach maximises what he has.

He wasn't expensive though..
And looking at our depth I would say we do need Cordero.

But the point still stands MOC isn't in total control of recruitment.
Not saying he would do a good job if he had total control, BUT what top coach would come in without that control? Hence why he was signed in the first place IMO.

I'm sure every coach has a list of players they want and some they don't get. He's not going to be sat with his calculator working out how each salary is going to fit into the budget. There has to be some give and take.

[BFG]

I know one thing with certainty, whoever failed to get Cordero needs outing.
Anyone who knows their rugby knew that this bloke was worth investment.
I don't really know how coaches can be constantly blamed and sacked when a club fails to compete with their rivals for such high quality.
Like Cockers before who I believe wanted investment up front, if a coach isn't backed in recruitment then he has little chance.

I really don't think it would make any difference who Tigers's recruited with MoC as Head.
Bar Thompson all of the backs starting today are internationals.

How is the international stuff going!

[RagingBull]

Yeah because what we really needed was another expensive back. Sure he's a great player but we needed reinforcements up front and those have arrived. The Steve Mafi deal is an odd one because that looked like it was a done deal.

Last season. We were less than the sum of our parts and this season we are looking the same. A good coach maximises what he has.

He wasn't expensive though..
And looking at our depth I would say we do need Cordero.

But the point still stands MOC isn't in total control of recruitment.
Not saying he would do a good job if he had total control, BUT what top coach would come in without that control? Hence why he was signed in the first place IMO.

I'm sure every coach has a list of players they want and some they don't get. He's not going to be sat with his calculator working out how each salary is going to fit into the budget. There has to be some give and take.

True, but then they is not getting the players because the guy in charge of the contracts doesn't rate him despite the Head Coach thinking otherwise.

[sam16111986]

He wasn't expensive though..
And looking at our depth I would say we do need Cordero.

But the point still stands MOC isn't in total control of recruitment.
Not saying he would do a good job if he had total control, BUT what top coach would come in without that control? Hence why he was signed in the first place IMO.

I'm sure every coach has a list of players they want and some they don't get. He's not going to be sat with his calculator working out how each salary is going to fit into the budget. There has to be some give and take.

True, but then they is not getting the players because the guy in charge of the contracts doesn't rate him despite the Head Coach thinking otherwise.

It's not, not rating him. It's the guy who has to balance the books looking at the head coaches wishlist and knowing that if Cordero comes in it's going to make it difficult for him to acquire one of the other players on the head coaches wanted list under the budget.

[RagingBull]

I'm sure every coach has a list of players they want and some they don't get. He's not going to be sat with his calculator working out how each salary is going to fit into the budget. There has to be some give and take.

True, but then they is not getting the players because the guy in charge of the contracts doesn't rate him despite the Head Coach thinking otherwise.

It's not, not rating him. It's the guy who has to balance the books looking at the head coaches wishlist and knowing that if Cordero comes in it's going to make it difficult for him to acquire one of the other players on the head coaches wanted list under the budget.

In this case it is.

[moorsman1]

Yes! Today we were utterly rubbish. Pre season what pre season? Coaching? don't get me started. 30 Year season ticket holder.

[G.K]

https://www.qantas.com/gb/en.html?tabId=book-a-trip

[trendylfj]

I said in an earlier post that I was after MOC to be sacked now but wanted to wait until after the Wasps game by which time we needed to have won at least 2 of the next 3 games. After reading the comments across various social media site and forums, it is clear that he has lost the confidence of a large percentage of the fans/people commenting on them and I am now of the opinion that he must go if we don't beat Newcastle next week. Would I give it to GM - no unless there is no-one else available. SC and GG MUST also go as they have responsibility for the current situation. Would anyone be able to persuade Jonno to take temporary charge until a permanent replacement is found would at the top of my to-do list.

[Mark62]

I said in an earlier post that I was after MOC to be sacked now but wanted to wait until after the Wasps game by which time we needed to have won at least 2 of the next 3 games. After reading the comments across various social media site and forums, it is clear that he has lost the confidence of a large percentage of the fans/people commenting on them and I am now of the opinion that he must go if we don't beat Newcastle next week. Would I give it to GM - no unless there is no-one else available. SC and GG MUST also go as they have responsibility for the current situation. Would anyone be able to persuade Jonno to take temporary charge until a permanent replacement is found would at the top of my to-do list.

With the playing squad we have yesterday should just not have happened.
Exeter are excellent and that is where we need to be if we are to challenge domestically and on yesterdays showing we are light years away.
MOC has to go today and the board need to remove Cohen.
Johnson is not the answer short or long term he just isn’t interested.
Mike Ford maybe he can’t do a worse job and at least his son wouldn’t look like he was disinterested.

[jgriffin]

Mark 62 agree. Ask Mick Ford to act as interim head with GM as backs coach, and hire a specialist D coach.

[trendylfj]

Mike Ford is a genuinely nice guy - spoken to him on many occasions whilst walking the dog but isn't he lined up for the Germany job???? - Also he is/having a house built "up north" according to his son and is now living up there. I wasn't suggesting Jonno takes the job permanently but he is LT through and through and would not stand for any nonsense. SCW would also command the respect of the players whereas I am not sure GM would have enough experience to dig us out of this :censored: great hole.

[markharbtiger]

... I wasn't suggesting Jonno takes the job permanently but he is LT through and through and would not stand for any nonsense.

No disrespect at all to the person you mention - quite the opposite in fact - but I think having someone who is ‘LT through and through’ where once this was an asset has now become part of the problem. Took much looking backwards in my view.

[strawclearer]

This article is well worth a read...

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/toothles ... ers-attack

If you're short of time (or patience), allow me to quote his assessment of MOC...

"The team came under fire last year as similar issues persisted with the return of Australian coach Matt O’Connor from the Queensland Reds, and the chorus of doubters will only grow louder after this opening performance.

His season as the attack and backs coach with the Super Rugby franchise in 2016 ended abruptly after one of the worst seasons in Reds history, where the team was widely criticised for poor and almost non-existent structure – these issues are looming once again.

His stint before that with Irish club Leinster ended just two years into a three-year deal after the side fell apart with deteriorating play under his watch, criticised for a lack of creative running rugby. In his first season, he won the Pro12 with a squad of players inherited from current Ireland coach Joe Schmidt.

He returned to the Tigers in 2017, back to where he found his first coaching success, winning two Premiership titles as an assistant to Richard Cockerill in 2009 and 2010. Cockerill was promoted to Director of Rugby at the club, opening the pathway for O’Connor to take the head-coaching job in 2011. Leicester were losing finalists back-to-back before capturing a third title in five years in 2013.

O’Connor’s coaching career has been unusual with success achieved with inherited squads before either rapid decline or quickly moving on. Last year with O’Connor in charge was the first time the Tigers missed the Premiership playoffs in over a decade (and his first at the club without Cockerill)."

[BFG]

Well it's disappointing in my opinion to read comments that'll likely lead to another coach sacking.
Personally it doesn't all add up to being a tactical coaching issue.
Firstly you only need look at the performances at Falcons and Sale last season or Exeter at Welford Road for that matter to know that the team is not hindered by coaching.
No amount of coaching and tactical nous can cover for the continuation of lost line outs and predictable service, basically poor performance.
When Leiceater beat Exeter at Welford Road last season they were much cleaner than Exeter on the day, yesterday it was vice versa, how can that be the coaches fault, it is not!
Secondly we have been here before with other coaches, and some of these players have been here before with other clubs, injury prone and inconsistent players.
Finally look at the state of England, at their most inconsistent in recent years and which does include several Leicester players in pivotal roles.

[Mark62]

For me it is now when not if that MOC goes.

I want to throw a left field name into the ring and am prepared to be shot down.

Ronan O’Gara. Coached at a successful Racing team and the spent the summer months working with Scott Robinson and The Crusaders.
All that knowledge and experience plus he doesn’t suffer fools gladly.