Manu cited? updated - case dismissed!

[Tiglon]

Looking where his right arm is wrapped below the Munster players shoulders.....and the tackled players legs are bent and he is going down.....dont see much wrong with it to warrant a citing.

https://www.ruck.co.uk/manu-tuilagi-cit ... r-flanker/

I don't know if there are any better video clips , but in the one further down the page in this link it does appear that Manu's shoulder goes straight into Cloete's head... although it is difficult to be sure about the exact point of contact due to the low frame rate. But, if that is the case it's hardly surprising he's been cited.

To be citied, the player must be deemed to have committed a red card offence. The tackle may have looked a little bit high but it's a penalty at most so not worthy of a citing. It's a ridiculous call.

Tackling a player in the head is potentially a red card.

[trendylfj]

It now seems that there are different levels of "dangerous tackles" - ecpr site has this - The warning issued to Jean Kleyn arising from the Leicester Tigers v Munster Rugby, Pool 4 match on Sunday, 17 December was for a dangerous tackle on the Leicester Tigers prop, Dan Cole, in contravention of Law 10.4 (j). The match Citing Commissioner was Jeff Mark (Wales).
Don't know when this happened in the game - any info???

[ellis9]

I don't know if there are any better video clips , but in the one further down the page in this link it does appear that Manu's shoulder goes straight into Cloete's head... although it is difficult to be sure about the exact point of contact due to the low frame rate. But, if that is the case it's hardly surprising he's been cited.

To be citied, the player must be deemed to have committed a red card offence. The tackle may have looked a little bit high but it's a penalty at most so not worthy of a citing. It's a ridiculous call.

Tackling a player in the head is potentially a red card.

He didn't tackle him in the head though!

[Coops]

Interestingly I note that former Tiger Leon Lloyd is sitting on a number of hearings today as part of the Independent DIsciplinary Committee.

Good to see (recent) former players involved.

[Tiglon]

To be citied, the player must be deemed to have committed a red card offence. The tackle may have looked a little bit high but it's a penalty at most so not worthy of a citing. It's a ridiculous call.

Tackling a player in the head is potentially a red card.

He didn't tackle him in the head though!

In the clip I referred to it does appear as though the initial point of contact was with the head. As I said, it's not the best video and given the frame rate of the video and the speed of the tackle it isn't conclusive. But based on that clip, I can't see any reason to be surprised by the citing.

[strawclearer]

In a quasi-legal system - which the citing process is - a precedent becomes either binding on or persuasive for a tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts. If Manu receives any form of sanction, I'm not sure many future matches will get by without someone getting a ban afterwards.

Hearing this morning, apparently.

[LE18]

Read in today's paper that kind of offence carries a MINIMUM of 6 weeks If he is found guilty of that, its absolutely bonkers.

[Maidman]

I hate to risk getting added to the bah humbug list, but has a citing ever been thrown out? I think it was Flats on his podcast who said 'if you go up before them it's a weeks ban minimum, as they throw them out before they get to the board'. Now that's his opinion but how close is it to fact?!

Their have been citings that have been either deemed to be just worthy of a retrospective yellow card or have been dismissed.

Didn't Hartley have his last citing dismissed?

This does truly seem to be a nonsense.

[loretta]

Read in today's paper that kind of offence carries a MINIMUM of 6 weeks If he is found guilty of that, its absolutely bonkers.

Don't trust what you read in the paper. Minimum 2 weeks.
http://www.epcrugby.com/news/36942.php#.Wjpfw9Jl_cs

[strawclearer]

Citing complaint against Manu Tuilagi dismissed

Panel deemed it reckless play (yellow card) but not worthy of a red card. Leicester head coach Matt O'Connor tells bbc5live "sanity has prevailed." Manu "free to play".

The Citing Commissioner has now been cited for wasting everyone's time and will go before a Hearing, Thinking and Common Sense Commission as soon as he's been sighted.

[LE18]

Citing complaint against Manu Tuilagi dismissed

Panel deemed it reckless play but not worthy of a red card. Leicester head coach Matt O'Connor tells bbc5live "sanity has prevailed."

Im very very pleased to be proven wrong, I really thought they would "stick together" Sense at last.

[daktari]

Citing complaint against Manu Tuilagi dismissed

Panel deemed it reckless play but not worthy of a red card. Leicester head coach Matt O'Connor tells bbc5live "sanity has prevailed."

Im very very pleased to be proven wrong, I really thought they would "stick together" Sense at last.

Begs the question, why was he ever cited? Just about everyone has said it was poppycock, does the citing chap know anything about Rugby?

[drc_007]

Citing complaint against Manu Tuilagi dismissed

Panel deemed it reckless play but not worthy of a red card. Leicester head coach Matt O'Connor tells bbc5live "sanity has prevailed."

Im very very pleased to be proven wrong, I really thought they would "stick together" Sense at last.

Begs the question, why was he ever cited? Just about everyone has said it was poppycock, does the citing chap know anything about Rugby?

https://twitter.com/LeicesterTigers/sta ... 6429442048

Comments are worth reading

[chewbacca]

Citing complaint against Manu Tuilagi dismissed

Panel deemed it reckless play (yellow card) but not worthy of a red card. Leicester head coach Matt O'Connor tells bbc5live "sanity has prevailed." Manu "free to play".

The Citing Commissioner has now been cited for wasting everyone's time and will go before a Hearing, Thinking and Common Sense Commission as soon as he's been sighted.

Well I never.

[loretta]

Citing complaint against Manu Tuilagi dismissed

Panel deemed it reckless play but not worthy of a red card. Leicester head coach Matt O'Connor tells bbc5live "sanity has prevailed."

Im very very pleased to be proven wrong, I really thought they would "stick together" Sense at last.

In a way, you were right, they still considered it a yellow. Fudge, anyone?