Why no penalty try?

[GETHIN EXILE]

Yesterday against Worcester the ball a high pass was thrown towards the left wing and a Worcester defender jumped into the are and got his hand to it, with no chance of catching it, if he had not done so our winger had a clear run in to the line. The referee decided to go back to the penalty in front of the posts that he was already playing advantage for. Surely he should have called new advantage and then had it checked if we didn't score. I feel too many referees are avoiding giving penalty tries in these situations as they don't want to also give a deserved yellow card.

[JP14]

Officiating was poor but it was also poor leadership from Harrison who was never in the Ref's ear so he couldn't be forced to check with the TMO

[cwhelan]

Certainly agree re. Harrison's inability to 'get in the referee's ear - what a stark contrast to O'Callaghan - now there's a leader!
Anyone see his huge Irish smile when he came off!!

[Tomvarndell]

Having watched it back I'm not convinced we score as there is some cover so probably not a penalty try but the most blatant yellow card you can see. Was more blatent than Veainu yellow last week for me, which was also a blatent yellow. A terrible decision from a poor ref.

[WhitecapTiger]

Yesterday against Worcester the ball a high pass was thrown towards the left wing and a Worcester defender jumped into the are and got his hand to it, with no chance of catching it, if he had not done so our winger had a clear run in to the line. The referee decided to go back to the penalty in front of the posts that he was already playing advantage for. Surely he should have called new advantage and then had it checked if we didn't score. I feel too many referees are avoiding giving penalty tries in these situations as they don't want to also give a deserved yellow card.

It wasn't avoided last week in a similar(ish) scenario when Veainu was yellow carded (and penalty try given IIRC) - and he had far more chance of catching the ball than the Wuss player did yesterday.

It's part of the game but those kind of inconsistencies, whether ref to ref or within the same game or game to game are hugely frustrating.

Having said that, we put ourselves in the hole we found ourselves in, didn't have a long enough ladder this week - had enough chances.

Anyone see his huge Irish smile when he came off!!

That was most likely in response to the 'boos' aimed his way when he came off.

[BFG]

Sale had a stronger case than this incident for a penalty try last week!
It was a terrible pass yesterday, so poor that it invited the player to legitimately jump up and try and catch it!
Odd that Harrison is getting stick for not hounding the official when it really should've been executed better by Leicester in the first place!

[mol2]

Ref was poor in spite of the TV screens showing the shoulder charge he ignored it as did the touch judge who was clearly looking at the screen while there was an injury break.

Deliberate knock on near the end should have been a yellow.

The forward pass should have been checked, however their fly half took the conversion immediately so closing the door on that one. (Technical offence not a penalty one so can’t come back once the kick is taken).

[smalldell]

Don't think it was a penalty try unfortunately, but certainly a yellow card and new penalty, but go back for the one in front of the post.

The worse decision - non-decision was the shoulder charge which was at least a yellow.

As for the loss generally we have to blame ourselves. Poor in the backs and shows that losing both Williams and Burns was a mistake. We have one very good 10 but no real back up. Joe just cannot direct a game and his kicking out of hand was woeful.
O'Connor needs to get the coaching staff working on the players we need for the 6 nations so our back's can function.

I hope all our England guys are fit and healthy because we are going to need them against Wasps.

Oh and finally I had to endure it all sat next to a Worcester fan!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was a nice guy and we had a hand shake at the end...but it hurt.

[BFG]

Can't blame Joe Ford in my opinion, or Harrison or Joe Bloggs, everyone wants something to blame!
Worcester equally kicked ball away to our back three but the fact remains if you miss first up tackles then that's game management out the window!
Added to that if you waste opportunities at the other end then the score line is very likely to go against you!

[baz1664]

Have to agree the ref was poor but why isnt the TMO bringing the incidents to his attention, it’s another inconsistency, one week the TMO is vocal throughout and others you don’t here a thing, both the no arm tackle and intentional knock on were yellow cards and probably cost us the game, Tigers were missing key men but showed a lack of intensity and real interest in that first 30 minutes, agree we are missing a quality back up fly half, I think Joe was in the championship for a reason, need recruitment in that area next season.

[BFG]

Ridiculous in my opinion to be pointing the finger at individuals and the officials with so many tackles missed!
Five tries conceded against a team at the wrong end of the table, if there is a place to start looking for a cause then It starts at defence!

[Scott11]

Spot on BFG! Excuses,excuses!!! Hope the players get beasted this week it's a truly disgraceful result and I'm still fuming!

[Hot_Charlie]

It was a terrible pass yesterday, so poor that it invited the player to legitimately jump up and try and catch it!

He didn't try and catch it though. He got a fingertip to it at full stretch. Mitigation was that it's difficult to see whether it went forward or not. If it did, certain penalty try as it was 3-1 outside. If it didn't go forward, just upwards, there's no issue.

[BFG]

It was a terrible pass yesterday, so poor that it invited the player to legitimately jump up and try and catch it!

He didn't try and catch it though. He got a fingertip to it at full stretch. Mitigation was that it's difficult to see whether it went forward or not. If it did, certain penalty try as it was 3-1 outside. If it didn't go forward, just upwards, there's no issue.

He did try, did he ever stand any chance of catching it, locks take balls out of the air like that at the line out regularly so yes it was a valid attempt in my opinion and the loopy pass certainly invited it, but as you suggest was it actually a knock on anyway, coming back for the original penalty would suggest not!
Do you give credit for the attempt to intercept it or criticise the pass, probably a bit of both on this occasion, just the way it goes sometimes!

[Hot_Charlie]

It was a terrible pass yesterday, so poor that it invited the player to legitimately jump up and try and catch it!

He didn't try and catch it though. He got a fingertip to it at full stretch. Mitigation was that it's difficult to see whether it went forward or not. If it did, certain penalty try as it was 3-1 outside. If it didn't go forward, just upwards, there's no issue.

He did try, did he ever stand any chance of catching it, locks take balls out of the air like that at the line out regularly so yes it was a valid attempt in my opinion and the loopy pass certainly invited it, but as you suggest was it actually a knock on anyway, coming back for the original penalty would suggest not!
Do you give credit for the attempt to intercept it or criticise the pass, probably a bit of both on this occasion, just the way it goes sometimes!

Locks are generally stationary in a lateral sense, not running it full tilt out of the line. He had a 99% chance of not catching it considering his forward velocity out of the defensive line!