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Re: Tigers v Chiefs

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No problem with Veanus yellow card and penalty try. He took a gamble to intercept it and failed.....had he intercepted and gone up the field to score the crowd would have erupted.....some you win and some......!
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Greenwhiteandred wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:08 am TV's penalty try was harsh and the ref was below average
Can't agree - that penalty was the third in less than as many minutes in Tigers' own red zone. The Referee had little choice to assume it was a deliberate knock on.
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I thought the two yellow cards were not wrong but both a little unlucky.
Unfortunate for Salvi that he and the other Exeter player seemed to get in each others way and both ended up looking a bit hapless and the attempted intercept by TV was knocked upwards and just an inch away on the fingers from a Tigers try, well worth the attempt in the circumstances and a good attempt knocking it upwards.
In the end though both decisions were fair enough.
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The ref was playing advantage when Veainu clumsily got yellow carded making it an even worst split decision to slap the ball up in desperate hope as the risk reward wasn't great.
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Re: Tigers v Chiefs

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Tomvarndell wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:53 am The ref was playing advantage when Veainu clumsily got yellow carded making it an even worst split decision to slap the ball up in desperate hope as the risk reward wasn't great.
Had he caught it though he still would've stopped what was a certain try.
That's the mentality that won the game IMO.
Good attempt IMO, unlucky.
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Re: Tigers v Chiefs

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BFG wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:41 pm
Tomvarndell wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:53 am The ref was playing advantage when Veainu clumsily got yellow carded making it an even worst split decision to slap the ball up in desperate hope as the risk reward wasn't great.
Had he caught it though he still would've stopped what was a certain try.
But maybe not the seven points - Chiefs had a penalty advantage in the red zone - we'll never know what they would have done with it.
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I wonder whether it would still be a yellow and penlty try for deliberate knock on if TV had juggled the ball?

Imagine a scenario where he got the intiial tip up and managed to make another tip or two before it finally hit the ground. It is still a knock on, and it was still a deliberate action to tip the ball up, but in the hypothetical scenario he had a much better chance of reclaiming the ball without it being a knock on.

Still a yellow and penalty try or does juggling make it accidental knock on?
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I think that would be classed as a knock on. The closer you get to catching it the better your chances.
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Tiger_in_Birmingham wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:20 pm I wonder whether it would still be a yellow and penlty try for deliberate knock on if TV had juggled the ball?

Imagine a scenario where he got the intiial tip up and managed to make another tip or two before it finally hit the ground. It is still a knock on, and it was still a deliberate action to tip the ball up, but in the hypothetical scenario he had a much better chance of reclaiming the ball without it being a knock on.

Still a yellow and penalty try or does juggling make it accidental knock on?
I really dont 'get' this. Surely it should be up to the attacking player(s) to pass and catch the ball out of the reach of the defender? Isn't that a key part of the game? Why have this law at all? Scrap it! Encourage interception tries!
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strawclearer wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 2:45 pm
Tiger_in_Birmingham wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:20 pm I wonder whether it would still be a yellow and penlty try for deliberate knock on if TV had juggled the ball?

Imagine a scenario where he got the intiial tip up and managed to make another tip or two before it finally hit the ground. It is still a knock on, and it was still a deliberate action to tip the ball up, but in the hypothetical scenario he had a much better chance of reclaiming the ball without it being a knock on.

Still a yellow and penalty try or does juggling make it accidental knock on?
I really dont 'get' this. Surely it should be up to the attacking player(s) to pass and catch the ball out of the reach of the defender? Isn't that a key part of the game? Why have this law at all? Scrap it! Encourage interception tries!
You also need to discourage intentional and cynical knock ons, and I think the line has been drawn in pretty much the right place.
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It's only a knock on if the ball hits the floor,players can juggle afaia. If a player juggles then drops it but it was a bona fide intercept attempt then I think that should be a penalty only. If a player intercepting tripped over and dropped the ball further up the field it would only be a scrum. There has to be some middle ground with perhaps refs discretion.
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Re: Tigers v Chiefs

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Roly wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:57 pm
BFG wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 12:41 pm
Tomvarndell wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:53 am The ref was playing advantage when Veainu clumsily got yellow carded making it an even worst split decision to slap the ball up in desperate hope as the risk reward wasn't great.
Had he caught it though he still would've stopped what was a certain try.
But maybe not the seven points - Chiefs had a penalty advantage in the red zone - we'll never know what they would have done with it.
No we will never know!
Perhaps next time the Tigers should just stand off and admire them instead so we can all invent another load of if's but's and maybe's!
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Re: Tigers v Chiefs

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It's not a case of standing and admiring. It's a case of thinking clearly in certain circumstances. Exeter are in the red zone with advantage , which in actual fact was the second advantage to be called in the phases leading up to their penalty try. They are a top side. Top sides will score against us. Getting yourself sin binned and giving away a penalty try in the process therefore isn't the clever play when defending a two on one situation. Firstly it guarantees a 7 point score and secondly you are out the game for ten.

It's the same when we've got done in rolling mauls from line outs five metres out. Accept sometimes the gamble of committing a cynical foul to stop a certain try isn't the way forward when you know the bin is waiting for you and 7 points will be awarded.

Obviously in the heat of the moment these decisions are difficult and players will make the wrong call. That said, however, these are situations coaches need to address.
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Re: Tigers v Chiefs

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But you assume TV knew that Exeter had a penalty advantage tomvarndell, I wouldn't be so quick to make that assumption.
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A full-back is frequently faced with two attackers running towards him. He has three options, in order - tackle the player with the ball; try to anticipate and intercept the pass; tackle the player the first player might be going to pass to. Why should the second option be described as 'cynical'? The chances are stacked against him whichever option he goes for so of course he's got to try and 'second guess' what the attackers might do! Give him a break! If the attackers can't manage to get past him because they can't pass the ball accurately enough - why card the poor full-back??!!
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