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Re: Saints Away

Post by chewbacca » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:03 am

So we loose a player to injury. Tigers need to stop looking for a messiah and build a team.
I'm not cynical just experienced

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Re: Saints Away

Post by Roly » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:06 am

brooksey845 wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:00 am
Watching the game from the weekend disappointed. For me Thacker has to start look at brits he has limiting factors in what he can do but Saracens allow him to play his game, Genge awesome, rest of the pack need a reality check need to start working harder, Mike Williams makes a difference but is just prone to not thinking by either not focusing on making a catch or no arm tackles, When is Thompstone fit feel we could do with his grunt in the back? Youngs and Ford are always going to struggle behind a pack that are going backwards and our new backline are never going to look as good without Manu in it far to predictable.
Tuilagi? The most predictable centre in the AP?
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Re: Saints Away

Post by Tiger93 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:45 am

Heard a lot of people criticise Toomua. Maybe he would be more effective with better ball and not being knackered from having to clear out at rucks constantly due to our powder-puff 4-8!

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Re: Saints Away

Post by sapajo » Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:54 am

Tiger93 wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:45 am
Heard a lot of people criticise Toomua. Maybe he would be more effective with better ball and not being knackered from having to clear out at rucks constantly due to our powder-puff 4-8!
Bang on observation, our forwards cannot or will not keep up with or cleae rucks. It's also what Man spent his precious time doing !
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Re: Saints Away

Post by Tiger93 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:03 am

It all gets rushed and frantic. We constantly look fragile at every ruck. Youngs doesn't become a bad 9 overnight. We are taking an extra few seconds to secure the ball which means the opposition have time to set their defence. Ford/Toomua then get less time to create something resulting in turnover ball or a breakdown in our attack.

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Re: Saints Away

Post by kend » Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:20 am

chewbacca wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:03 am
So we loose a player to injury. Tigers need to stop looking for a messiah and build a team.
Indeed, but they do need to find a player that can perform the same role for the game plan to work. It is disruptive to lose such an influential player. But they coped last season and doubtless will again.

It is disappointing that Tigers didn't turn up for a derby game, but we only two games in. We had a pretty disrupted last season and still got within a score of the final. If we get to the Irish game without a win, then is the time for wailing and a rending of newly bought shirts :smt002

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Re: Saints Away

Post by brooksey845 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:01 pm

Roly wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:06 am
brooksey845 wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:00 am
Watching the game from the weekend disappointed. For me Thacker has to start look at brits he has limiting factors in what he can do but Saracens allow him to play his game, Genge awesome, rest of the pack need a reality check need to start working harder, Mike Williams makes a difference but is just prone to not thinking by either not focusing on making a catch or no arm tackles, When is Thompstone fit feel we could do with his grunt in the back? Youngs and Ford are always going to struggle behind a pack that are going backwards and our new backline are never going to look as good without Manu in it far to predictable.
Tuilagi? The most predictable centre in the AP?
Predictable yes but tough to put down and draws people to him due to his power which opens space for others

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Re: Saints Away

Post by Roly » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:20 pm

brooksey845 wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:01 pm
Roly wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:06 am
brooksey845 wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:00 am
Watching the game from the weekend disappointed. For me Thacker has to start look at brits he has limiting factors in what he can do but Saracens allow him to play his game, Genge awesome, rest of the pack need a reality check need to start working harder, Mike Williams makes a difference but is just prone to not thinking by either not focusing on making a catch or no arm tackles, When is Thompstone fit feel we could do with his grunt in the back? Youngs and Ford are always going to struggle behind a pack that are going backwards and our new backline are never going to look as good without Manu in it far to predictable.
Tuilagi? The most predictable centre in the AP?
Predictable yes but tough to put down and draws people to him due to his power which opens space for others
Yes, but he only plays twice a year, so he's not really that much of a threat is he....
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Re: Saints Away

Post by JackFlashJonny » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:37 am

I have had time to gather my thoughts from the weekend and one thing is now clear...where on earth do we spend all our money??? We have average players in so many positions...

Quality- Veainu, Ford, May, Toomua, Ben Youngs, Genge, Cole, Manu*

Our second row and back row are well below any club at our supposed level in the AP...I would say we are below standard at 2,4,5,6,7,8 and then we have no depth at all at 12, 13, 15 or even really 10

The whole team is a shambles and the pack is fast becoming the joke of the premiership

What on earth happened to Leicester Tigers... :smt009 :smt010 :smt011

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Re: Saints Away

Post by cowmadiddy » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:52 am

By a long way I'm not saying our forwards did a good enough job, but the backs did get ball and squandered it.
Youngs kicking was the worst I've seen for a long time, Ford kept failing to kick through grubber kicks, all the backs seem a bit lightweight - which is fine if they use speed of hands, feet and brains to compensate, but they didn't - OK, May scored his try, but it says a lot when he has to run the whole pitch sideways to find some space (there wasn't any). Malouf needs more game time in the A's, way too early to have him in the first team and even Veianu was loose under the high ball and saints seemed to be all over him giving him no space.

I hope it's a new team gelling together but it's only really Malouf and Toomua that haven't played with the others.

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