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Re: Herr Flood

Post by ellis9 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:27 am

Nope, whatever anyone says, they won't change my mind.

It's one country and one country only in my view.

Also, if you think you should be able to play for more than one country and using clubs as an example like you have done, why can't someone suddenly stop playing for the one country and then straight away play for another country?
If a Tigers players leaves they don't have to wait 3 years to play for another club.
That argument and reasoning isn't anywhere near good enough for me!

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by tjs10 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:32 am

ellis9 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:27 am
It's one country and one country only in my view.
So why is it OK for Head coach to represent more than one country but not OK for players to do so?

And what if a player plays U16s or U18s for country A? Should they be restricted to that country for life or can they play for a different country at senior level under your logic?

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by ellis9 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:45 pm

Yes, once a player had chosen what country to represent at whatever level, that's their country.

The head coach is different as they are not earning caps. However, as I previously mentioned, I would prefer an English coach over a foreign one.

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by JackFlashJonny » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:15 pm

Oddly enough I agree with ellis on this one...you should not be able to change country as you no longer make the grade...

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by Tiger_in_Birmingham » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:25 pm

tjs10 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:32 am
ellis9 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:27 am
It's one country and one country only in my view.
So why is it OK for Head coach to represent more than one country but not OK for players to do so?

And what if a player plays U16s or U18s for country A? Should they be restricted to that country for life or can they play for a different country at senior level under your logic?
So the greatest England captain shouldn't have played for England :smt017

I'm fairly certain without his experience in NZ (including a cap for the U21s) Johno would not have been the palyer he was

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by tjs10 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:09 pm

Exactly! Johnno would have been an All Black or nothing using Ellis' logic.

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by mol2 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 3:50 pm

I think that as an adult player, once you have played for one country, you may not swap.

I don't think that it should apply to juniors of less than 18 years of age as they are not adults and where they are playing may be dictated by where their parents are living and working, rather than nationality or personal allegiance and may well be subject to undue influence from coaches, teachers and the like.

Didn't Wales try and make their under 18s function as their "A" team for a while to try and lock players in whilst still technically juniors. (Effectively deeming an under 18 side to have the equivalent status in terms of binding players to the side as the Saxons does for England or the Wolfhounds does for Ireland)

Obviously the nationality as defined in the passport doesn't work if you hold a UK passport as that doesn't distinguish between England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland. (Or for that matter if you are a dual national).

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by L Smith » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:36 pm

ellis9 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:27 am
Nope, whatever anyone says, they won't change my mind.
First time I've agreed with you :smt023
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Re: Herr Flood

Post by ellis9 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:02 pm

Tiger_in_Birmingham wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:25 pm
tjs10 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:32 am
ellis9 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:27 am
It's one country and one country only in my view.
So why is it OK for Head coach to represent more than one country but not OK for players to do so?

And what if a player plays U16s or U18s for country A? Should they be restricted to that country for life or can they play for a different country at senior level under your logic?
So the greatest England captain shouldn't have played for England :smt017

I'm fairly certain without his experience in NZ (including a cap for the U21s) Johno would not have been the palyer he was
Not necessarily. If that rule was in place, he may not have chosen to play for New Zealand at that age.

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by Tiger_in_Birmingham » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:50 pm

ellis9 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:02 pm
Tiger_in_Birmingham wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:25 pm
tjs10 wrote:
Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:32 am


So why is it OK for Head coach to represent more than one country but not OK for players to do so?

And what if a player plays U16s or U18s for country A? Should they be restricted to that country for life or can they play for a different country at senior level under your logic?
So the greatest England captain shouldn't have played for England :smt017

I'm fairly certain without his experience in NZ (including a cap for the U21s) Johno would not have been the palyer he was
Not necessarily. If that rule was in place, he may not have chosen to play for New Zealand at that age.
if not for an injury he would probably never have come back to England!

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by mol2 » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:51 am

Head coaches don't represent a country in the way players do.

They are paid employees of the relevant union.


If you take the "head coach must be English" further then perhaps none of the staff working at the stadium may be foreign?
The construction workers must have been English.
No adverts or sponsorship from foreign companies?

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Re: Herr Flood

Post by chewbacca » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:59 am

Determination of nationality can be complicated. What nationality is a child born in one country to parents of differing nationalities neither of which is that of the nation where the child is born. What I find unreasonable is the often desperate scrabble to find a grandparent with some tenuous claim to nationality for the country for which representation is sought. Nationality should be determined based on place of birth and nationality of parents only. Those will dual nationality can make a choice. Like others once somebody has represented 'their' nation then thats it.
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Re: Herr Flood

Post by Noggs » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:22 am

Clearly it can be argued until the cows come home what the rules should or should not be. I am happy provided that all stick to the same rules.

With respect to Flood it surely must be seen as good that he is trying to help expand the game we all love and if he is following the rules in doing so there is no argument.
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