Manu sent home

[h's dad]

Westwinds (and others) do you not get that what Manu did on the eve of an England training session had nothing to do with being a role model (or with social responsibility for that matter).

Eddie Jones sent him home for being an idiot. Drinking to excess the night before an England training session is just plain stupid and completely unacceptable behaviour for a professional sportsman.

There really is nothing more to be said!

and that is all he should be taken to task over, being an idiot by doing that

Seven pages of posts suggest that isn't necessarily the case.

[Grimlish]

What price Rob Webber ever playing for England again? He's 31, dropping down the pecking order fast and now banned from driving for 23 months, having stopped off at Knutsford services to throw up beside his (no doubt sponsored) Land Rover and was returning from playing rugby for Sale Sharks. Puts the faux outrage at the Manu incident into perspective imho.

[Scott11]

Exactly,6 pints and driving is a disgrace! Wasn't in England's thoughts anyway but still...

[BFG]

What price Rob Webber ever playing for England again? He's 31, dropping down the pecking order fast and now banned from driving for 23 months, having stopped off at Knutsford services to throw up beside his (no doubt sponsored) Land Rover and was returning from playing rugby for Sale Sharks. Puts the faux outrage at the Manu incident into perspective imho.

Ha, sick notes, how apt!
Never rated Webber, I reckon I could throw better one handed and move quicker with a shoelace tied around my ankles, now I know why!
Professionals, pfft!

[strawclearer]

Seems the sentencing magistrate also feels that such people should be role models...

Jill Hodges, chair of the bench of magistrates, said: “You are a professional sports player and should be setting an example to children and those who follow your club."

[BigDan50]

Grimlishwrote, puts the faux outrage at the Manu incident into perspective imho.
Awful behaviour by Webber but at least he didn't assault the arresting police officers.

[kend]

Seems the sentencing magistrate also feels that such people should be role models...

Jill Hodges, chair of the bench of magistrates, said: “You are a professional sports player and should be setting an example to children and those who follow your club."

Won't somebody think of the children....

Seriously, the research shows children tend to draw their role models from people who are accessible to them (parents, siblings, teachers and so forth) rather than remote celebs and sports stars. Also there are different categories; while a child might try to emulate a positive model they can also choose not to emulate a negative one. So I might admire many aspects of my father's behaviour but choose not to emulate some of his more questionable attitudes. So worry about role models should start closer to home before looking externally.

Quite why a 'professional sports player' should stand in a category of 'positive role model' is a reasonable question, as opposed to, for example, a rock star. You couldn't imagine a judge, or at least one in their right mind, telling Keith Richards to be a better role model.

Personally I've always taken Iggy Pop as mine

[h's dad]

Won't somebody think of the children....

Seriously, the research shows children tend to draw their role models from people who are accessible to them (parents, siblings, teachers and so forth) rather than remote celebs and sports stars.

With respect, a lot of the research doesn't show that at all, certainly not to exclusivity. There seems to be very much a balance with different influencers having affects in different areas.

Also there are different categories; while a child might try to emulate a positive model they can also choose not to emulate a negative one. So I might admire many aspects of my father's behaviour but choose not to emulate some of his more questionable attitudes. So worry about role models should start closer to home before looking externally.

Of you, on yourself, you are neither unbiased nor statistically relevant.

Quite why a 'professional sports player' should stand in a category of 'positive role model' is a reasonable question, as opposed to, for example, a rock star.

Why opposed to?

You couldn't imagine a judge, or at least one in their right mind, telling Keith Richards to be a better role model.

You have to be a bit Bismarckian and deal in the art of the possible

Personally I've always taken Iggy Pop as mine

Good for you. The efficacy of attempting to pick your own role model might make an interesting study.

[h's dad]

Grimlishwrote, puts the faux outrage at the Manu incident into perspective imho.
Awful behaviour by Webber but at least he didn't assault the arresting police officers.

I'd ask you to remind us of what actually happened but you don't seem to know.

[mol2]

I'm not sure outrage is the right term to reflect Manu's actions.
However it is disappointing to find he has shown so little respect for the expectations of his national coach.

Going on the lash is fine in the right circumstances - but only an idiot would do that on a 3 day England training camp without it being sanctioned as part of down time.
As internationals in the public eye players have to set a standard of behaviour off the field too even if it is not criminal behaviour.

Should Eddie Jones have aired his feelings in public? If he punished them in private then why are we aware of it.

[kend]

Won't somebody think of the children....

Seriously, the research shows children tend to draw their role models from people who are accessible to them (parents, siblings, teachers and so forth) rather than remote celebs and sports stars.

With respect, a lot of the research doesn't show that at all, certainly not to exclusivity. There seems to be very much a balance with different influencers having affects in different areas.

Also there are different categories; while a child might try to emulate a positive model they can also choose not to emulate a negative one. So I might admire many aspects of my father's behaviour but choose not to emulate some of his more questionable attitudes. So worry about role models should start closer to home before looking externally.

Of you, on yourself, you are neither unbiased nor statistically relevant.

Quite why a 'professional sports player' should stand in a category of 'positive role model' is a reasonable question, as opposed to, for example, a rock star.

Why opposed to?

You couldn't imagine a judge, or at least one in their right mind, telling Keith Richards to be a better role model.

You have to be a bit Bismarckian and deal in the art of the possible

Personally I've always taken Iggy Pop as mine

Good for you. The efficacy of attempting to pick your own role model might make an interesting study.

With equal respect, the research that is currently driving policy does - off the top of my head Kniveton, Anderson and Cavallaro? And I'm not citing myself as an example, I'm illustrating Gibson's categories of role models and that they operate in different ways. But hey, psychology is a contested subject. I'll take my view (I'm interested in how 'role models' influence individual narratives) and you take yours

[h's dad]

With equal respect, the research that is currently driving policy does - off the top of my head Kniveton, Anderson and Cavallaro? And I'm not citing myself as an example, I'm illustrating Gibson's categories of role models and that they operate in different ways. But hey, psychology is a contested subject. I'll take my view (I'm interested in how 'role models' influence individual narratives) and you take yours

"More girls than boys have role models (82% vs. 75%). Girls are also more likely to choose role
models from within the immediate family, while more boys chose a sportsperson." I was going to say that this from the National Literacy Trust may be a little out of date but it seems to be a lot more current than the work you refer to. Interesting that Gibson says role models can be fictional. I thought you did refer to yourself as an example. Re-reading it, I still do. I really don't have a view on this and appreciate what you are sharing, please keep it simple for me.

[drc_007]

Rob Baxter insists Aviva Premiership champions Exeter will keep celebrating big triumphs with a few beers, despite rugby running into several recent high-profile drink-related problems.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... inking-ban

[watsonjm]

Rob Baxter insists Aviva Premiership champions Exeter will keep celebrating big triumphs with a few beers, despite rugby running into several recent high-profile drink-related problems.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... inking-ban

Absolutely right to!

[BFG]

Rob Baxter insists Aviva Premiership champions Exeter will keep celebrating big triumphs with a few beers, despite rugby running into several recent high-profile drink-related problems.

http://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/story/_/id/ ... inking-ban

Absolutely right to!

Absolutely, what are big triumphs if they are not for celebrating, especially when something is worked so hard for!
Accepted a few beers can also help some people relax.
It's not having a few beers that is in question, it's the time and the place!