Could not agree more.sapajo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 5:02 pm[quote=BFG post_id=671756 time=<a href="tel:1502119247">1502119247</a> user_id=11462]
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Eddie Jones is a complete hypocrite, he turns a blind eye to someone who has been banned many times for an accumulation of some 13 months due to offences committed on the pitch and sends someone home for drinking once whilst off the pitch due to so called " cultural issues" .
Selective opinions, IMO!
You are missing the point here, if lads can't follow orders then trust will not exist!
Rugger players are often asked to go out onto the pitch and make the opposition uncomfortable, if they do naughty things to achieve this then gaffers rarely care how players do it as long as it works, and if a line is crossed then don't get caught, that's rugby!
There is little harm in going for a beer or two, unless you are asked not to in which case if you still choose to do so then it shows a lack of respect to those asking it.
Not following instructions is as much a cultural issue as anything else.
The fact it was alcohol related is immaterial, it could've just as easily been playing with their Barbie dolls when told not to do so, the fact is TWO players failed to do as requested so it's bye bye!
So if players failed to do as requested so it's bye bye so please explain how come Hartley is anywhere near the England squad then? As I say it's utter rank hypocracy from Jones.
To be fair as much as everybody hates Hartley and he's on borrowed time with England, to my knowledge he's done nothing to break ej rules or anyone's since being made captain, to be far he's done nothing playing wise either but it looks like ej gave everyone a clean slate and manu after 1 training camp failed that, but I'm sure if he plays as he can in the league he's get more chances with England as there isn't anybody else who can do what he does.