Referees

[Ajcc]

Hi all I just wondered if anyone has same thoughts as me. As to the standard of referees across the world that you have a few select top referees who are good and confident in what they do but we have very few. Then we have a referees who are along way behide who struggle to be confident and consistent in there decisions.

My issue is that referees are not consistent in there decision making so how can the players play to there full potential as the top players play on the edge of every law.

[Mark62]

Couldn't agree more.
Take the 2 European finals. With an English and French side in both matchs this meant no refs from either country could be used.
Nigel was always going to get the big game, and love him or hate him, he always provides for an entertaining game.
This meant Lacey got the challenge cup where quite frankly he was awful.

Same yesterday Wayne got 1 game and no doubt the final next week, JP probably the best of the rest, did the championship play off on Wednesday which left us with yesterday's sir who again was awful for both sides.

We need more players moving up as in the Southern Hemisphere where Glen Osbourne and Jamie nutt brown are 2 of the leading officials

[tigerburnie]

Are refs still amateur? if so it's hardly surprising that no-one is taking up the whistle.

[strawclearer]

Are refs still amateur? if so it's hardly surprising that no-one is taking up the whistle.

Carley had a whistle??? I didn't realise!

[Tigerbeat]

Are refs still amateur? if so it's hardly surprising that no-one is taking up the whistle.

The referees are employed in a full time capacity by the RFU.

[daktari]

The gap in standard between Barnes and Carley was vast

[tigerburnie]

The arghfu are clearly not doing much of a job recruiting then.

[Mark62]

Watching the 7s Richard Haughton ex Sarries winger reffing

[sam16111986]

The arghfu are clearly not doing much of a job recruiting then.

Karl Dickson the Quins scrum half has all his qualifications and has done some reasonable level reffing whilst still playing. Looks like we'll see him as "sir" once he retires from playing.

The RFU will struggle to recruit ex-pros as coaching and media jobs probably pay better and are less scrutinised.

[BFG]

Just seen the highlights of Chiefs v Sarries and my word that last scrum penalty awarded to Chiefs from which they scored at the resulting lineout was a shocker from Waynetta IMO, big case against the Chiefs loosie for walking around IMO!
Two very close semi-finals very much decided by refs, IMO!

[Ashurstwoodtiger]

Likewise in our game. I thought (obvious wrongly ) that if a player was rendered or suspected that he had lost conciousness that duty of care meant game should be stopped. Ignoring by 4 RFU Officials not good enough. OK would have meant that we might have unjustly won but PLAYER WELFARE SHOULD COME FIRST

[Tigerbeat]

There was 9 seconds between the KO and the try being scored. The Tigers medics who are on the sidelines are able to come on to the pitch at any time a player is injured.
The clock was stopped after the score and Burns was given unlimited medical attention.
Had there been a longer period of play before the game was stopped, I would have been concerned.
Barnes stopped the game immediately in the other semi when two players collided and hit heads.

[Ashurstwoodtiger]

Tiger beat yes I realise that medics are allowed on at any time a player is injured. Can't remember exactly how Freddie received his injury which required lengthy attendance but as you stated Wayne Barnes stopped the game immediately Not 9 seconds later. IIRC no penalty or other sanction given,an accident,why was the same not applied in our game. Yes after the season the team has had and to put on such a great old fashioned Tigers display to loose in the last play of the game are we not allowed to feel hard done by

[Bristol Tiger]

There was 9 seconds between the KO and the try being scored. The Tigers medics who are on the sidelines are able to come on to the pitch at any time a player is injured.
The clock was stopped after the score and Burns was given unlimited medical attention.
Had there been a longer period of play before the game was stopped, I would have been concerned.
Barnes stopped the game immediately in the other semi when two players collided and hit heads.

I'm sorry, to me that underlines the problem. In one game a ref stops play immediately, without knowing if there had been a KO or not; in the next (literally) a player is KO and play continues. Yes it was only 9 seconds but what would have happened if there was a tackle that stopped that try and Wasps played there or more phases. Nine seconds becomes 30, becomes a minute, etc.

Not arguing that Wasps didn't deserve a try in that last 15 minutes, just think the referee and supporting assistants were poor in handling a head collision that resulted in concussion.

[Tigerbeat]

Barnes saw the impact of both players as they both went down.