DOR aspirants, then?
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Alex Sanderson? The names are getting worse!
Why would we get rid of someone with Cockerill's experience to bring in someone who has no DOR experience or no knowledge of the club?!
Why would we get rid of someone with Cockerill's experience to bring in someone who has no DOR experience or no knowledge of the club?!
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You forgot Farrel as defence coach. That dream team would bring in a new hooker (DH), a new 10 (GF), a new 12 (OF) and a centre/flanker by the name of Burgess. We could throw in Voldermort as technical advisor.RagingBull wrote:So we have
DOR - Lancaster
HC - Mike Ford
FC - West
BC - MOC
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As someone who has never really understood the DOR/Head Coach relationship, particularly at Tigers I hope the plan will be to give Mauger his chance until the end of the season. In parallel the board should have plans B & C depending on wether they consider the next 5 months to be a success or not.
I would be very disappointed if we just appoint a replacement 'DOR' without a full review.
I would be very disappointed if we just appoint a replacement 'DOR' without a full review.
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I would love to see Lee Blackett here from Wasps. He did a brilliant job up here at Rotherham on a shoe string. had Rotherham playing a gret brand of rugby with a snarly pack which i think we are missing. also doing very well as backs coach at Wasps.
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I think it's only fair that Mauger is given the chance to manage the team for now, and it will quickly become apparent whether he is up to the job.
So far despite being notional "Head Coach" it has been obvious that RC made all the big calls on selection, style of play and motivational matters...it will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few weeks.
However we do urgently need a forwards coach to replace Cockers/Blaze IMO and if MJ could be persuaded that would be amazing, if not then I'm really not sure; who of the names mentioned is a forwards specialist and would work under AM?
I just have a sneaky feeling that AM's future is also bleak and the Board are looking to change things wholesale.
So far despite being notional "Head Coach" it has been obvious that RC made all the big calls on selection, style of play and motivational matters...it will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few weeks.
However we do urgently need a forwards coach to replace Cockers/Blaze IMO and if MJ could be persuaded that would be amazing, if not then I'm really not sure; who of the names mentioned is a forwards specialist and would work under AM?
I just have a sneaky feeling that AM's future is also bleak and the Board are looking to change things wholesale.
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Absolutely agree with everything you have said. There should be no talk by the board about someone new until they have given AM a chance to show what he can do. I would certainly give him until April to show that he can turn things around. During that time they should be looking at all aspects of the club, themselves, management of the club, backroom staff, coaching staff, players, academy, and dare I say it, the sugar daddy option. Things need then to be put in place before the start of next season and give time to move the club forward.Soggypitch wrote:I think it's only fair that Mauger is given the chance to manage the team for now, and it will quickly become apparent whether he is up to the job.
So far despite being notional "Head Coach" it has been obvious that RC made all the big calls on selection, style of play and motivational matters...it will be interesting to see what transpires over the next few weeks.
However we do urgently need a forwards coach to replace Cockers/Blaze IMO and if MJ could be persuaded that would be amazing, if not then I'm really not sure; who of the names mentioned is a forwards specialist and would work under AM?
I just have a sneaky feeling that AM's future is also bleak and the Board are looking to change things wholesale.
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Ian Robertson said on radio 5 yesterday he wouldn't be surprised if it was Stuart Lancaster
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Chobbsy wrote:Ian Robertson said on radio 5 yesterday he wouldn't be surprised if it was Stuart Lancaster
The media love Lancaster again now so I expect every media outlet to link him with us.
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Alex Sanderson?
If they appointed him, i would be finished with Tigers
If they appointed him, i would be finished with Tigers
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If Mauger has been hamstrung by being forced to adopt styles of play & selections that he as coach didn't agree with under Cockers then it would be fair enough to give him some time, however that has to be tempered the possibility that he was singing from the same hymn sheet as Cockers. His coaching record in NZ wasn't glorious, but I'm not sure what he had to work with over there.
The talk of Austin Healey is amusing. If nothing else to call his bluff! Let's face it we all talk a good game on here which is exactly the situation he is in.
Don't get me wrong he was a fantastically talented player. However the one position in the backs he wanted to play was fly half, which was probably the only one he really couldn't do which might be a trigger for concern! However he's not ready for the head coach/DOR role although he might be an outside punt for attack coach!
I suspect talk of specific attach coaches, defence coaches, line out coaches, scrum coaches, head coaches and DOR is probably beyond the budget of Tigers given that Freddie had to bring in his own kicking coach!
The talk of Austin Healey is amusing. If nothing else to call his bluff! Let's face it we all talk a good game on here which is exactly the situation he is in.
Don't get me wrong he was a fantastically talented player. However the one position in the backs he wanted to play was fly half, which was probably the only one he really couldn't do which might be a trigger for concern! However he's not ready for the head coach/DOR role although he might be an outside punt for attack coach!
I suspect talk of specific attach coaches, defence coaches, line out coaches, scrum coaches, head coaches and DOR is probably beyond the budget of Tigers given that Freddie had to bring in his own kicking coach!
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I think that Austin Healey is an exceptionally insightful pundit and would make an excellent attack coach but would only be interested in the DOR position, which would be a huge gamble on Tigers part. He understands rugby very well but his man-management has not been tested and his temperament suggests that he would have issues as part of a team.mol2 wrote:If Mauger has been hamstrung by being forced to adopt styles of play & selections that he as coach didn't agree with under Cockers then it would be fair enough to give him some time, however that has to be tempered the possibility that he was singing from the same hymn sheet as Cockers. His coaching record in NZ wasn't glorious, but I'm not sure what he had to work with over there.
The talk of Austin Healey is amusing. If nothing else to call his bluff! Let's face it we all talk a good game on here which is exactly the situation he is in.
Don't get me wrong he was a fantastically talented player. However the one position in the backs he wanted to play was fly half, which was probably the only one he really couldn't do which might be a trigger for concern! However he's not ready for the head coach/DOR role although he might be an outside punt for attack coach!
I suspect talk of specific attach coaches, defence coaches, line out coaches, scrum coaches, head coaches and DOR is probably beyond the budget of Tigers given that Freddie had to bring in his own kicking coach!
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He is an insightful pundit, unfortunately he gets so warm in his own glow that he very often comes out with something totally pathetic, the blokes blood rushes and he just talks too much, he used to do the same as a player, exceptional play and then try and be too clever and looked like a fool.Hinckley Bob wrote:I think that Austin Healey is an exceptionally insightful pundit and would make an excellent attack coach but would only be interested in the DOR position, which would be a huge gamble on Tigers part. He understands rugby very well but his man-management has not been tested and his temperament suggests that he would have issues as part of a team.mol2 wrote:If Mauger has been hamstrung by being forced to adopt styles of play & selections that he as coach didn't agree with under Cockers then it would be fair enough to give him some time, however that has to be tempered the possibility that he was singing from the same hymn sheet as Cockers. His coaching record in NZ wasn't glorious, but I'm not sure what he had to work with over there.
The talk of Austin Healey is amusing. If nothing else to call his bluff! Let's face it we all talk a good game on here which is exactly the situation he is in.
Don't get me wrong he was a fantastically talented player. However the one position in the backs he wanted to play was fly half, which was probably the only one he really couldn't do which might be a trigger for concern! However he's not ready for the head coach/DOR role although he might be an outside punt for attack coach!
I suspect talk of specific attach coaches, defence coaches, line out coaches, scrum coaches, head coaches and DOR is probably beyond the budget of Tigers given that Freddie had to bring in his own kicking coach!
An area we kept hearing rumours that RC had trouble, communication.
Similar types?
Mauger seems a little more thoughtful before opening his mouth and we should see how his approach works.
There are lots of potential names as assistant coaches, L Deacon, Vesty etc.
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I too like Healey and he is insightful and imaginative.
However I do wonder if he would have the temperament for a full time coaching position.
Nevertheless how about employing him as a "Consultant Coach", I think he still lives locally and can't be employed full time by BT, so if he could spare say 1 day a week to spend with AM and our backs, that could be really beneficial IMO. He would be able to pass on his ideas without the daily grind and responsibility of being a full time coach.
Would AM see this as diminishing his role however? - probably, which is a shame as I think it really could work.
However I do wonder if he would have the temperament for a full time coaching position.
Nevertheless how about employing him as a "Consultant Coach", I think he still lives locally and can't be employed full time by BT, so if he could spare say 1 day a week to spend with AM and our backs, that could be really beneficial IMO. He would be able to pass on his ideas without the daily grind and responsibility of being a full time coach.
Would AM see this as diminishing his role however? - probably, which is a shame as I think it really could work.
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I only mentioned Healey tongue in cheek to be honest, more as a reference to the number of times over the years some posters have suggested he comes to us in a coaching capacity.mol2 wrote:The talk of Austin Healey is amusing.
Offered more as you suggested:
mol2 wrote:If nothing else to call his bluff!
Certainly not as a DoR but, if anything, joking or not, as a backs/attack/skills coach.
I doubt he'd give up his current employment, he'd have to work for a living and be on the pedestal to be shot down rather than at the bottom rocking it
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If MJ comes back, can see Healey involved as they were and probably still are good friends..so I am told !!
Healey has an exceptional brain
He also has an exceptional mouth
Marrying the two together might be tricky but no question, he was the sole reason we won 2 Europeans with his insight for gaps and half chances
So he would be the ideal backs coach, IMHO
Healey has an exceptional brain
He also has an exceptional mouth
Marrying the two together might be tricky but no question, he was the sole reason we won 2 Europeans with his insight for gaps and half chances
So he would be the ideal backs coach, IMHO